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    Flash Lube Valve Saver

    My 101 3.5 V8 is dual fuel and has a Flash Lube valve saver system fitted. As the engine already has hardened valve seats do I actually need the valve saver system to run on LPG. If not needed, I would like to use the small vacuum ports on the carbies for a vacuum gauge.

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    nope if youve got the hardend seats you dont need the flashlube.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blknight.aus View Post
    nope if youve got the hardend seats you dont need the flashlube.
    I have made the assumption that all V8s have hardened valve seats.
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    alloy heads = hardened valve seats

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    Sort of related question - the fuel saver was being sucked by the small vacuum ports on both carbies just where they bolt to the manifold - they were joined by a small T junction. Does each carby just feed fuel air mix to the side of the engine it is on or is there a common chamber at the start of the inlet manifold that then branches to the 8 cylinders. I would prefer to take vacuum from just one of the ports for the vacuum gauge and block the other - if I have to join them then it means another trip to the shop.

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    nope not all v8s have hardened seats, they all have valve seat inserts but depending on how old the heads are depends on what you get.

    if the engine was ment to run super its likely to have the softer seats.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blknight.aus View Post
    nope not all v8s have hardened seats, they all have valve seat inserts but depending on how old the heads are depends on what you get.

    if the engine was ment to run super its likely to have the softer seats.
    So how do I tell if my 3.5 has hard or soft seats - mid 70s vintage - lower compression engine 8.?:1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by garrycol View Post
    So how do I tell if my 3.5 has hard or soft seats - mid 70s vintage - lower compression engine 8.?:1.

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    All alloy heads have a valve seat insert which is mostly hardened and usually similar to piston ring material, rover V8's of any vintage dont need flashlube.
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    I have never in 25 years fitted flashlube to any Rover/P76 V8, only once have I seen a burnt valve in one on LPG, and that was on an engine that had over 600,000km on it. Apart from hardened seats, most early engines had poor/not fitted valve guide seals, so enough oil gets to the valves. When I repair early engines I deliberately fit inlet valve stem seals only, keeps a little oil going to the exhaust valves.
    As for vacuum, there is no flow to your gauge, connect it to either carb. If there was a substantial vacuum difference between your carbs, your idle would be rough as your carbs would not be in balance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by garrycol View Post
    So how do I tell if my 3.5 has hard or soft seats - mid 70s vintage - lower compression engine 8.?:1.

    Cheers

    Garry

    Hello , if it were me i`d do a bit more searching before you remove it .

    We have 3.9 with and 4.0 without both in RRCs . The 3.9 has efi and lpg the 4.0 has carbs and lpg .

    The one with is not so much a valve lube as a power thing it has more with than without or seems to , never on a dyno .

    Ive replaced the exhaust valves on the one without , the valve seats were fine and only need a touch up but the valve faces were pitted beyond reassembly . This motor has both stanless exhast and inlet valves . I have maybe 3 other sets of 3.5 heads that have been on lpg and their valves/seats are fine as well as another set of 10 bolt 3.9-4.6 heads that ran lpg and the seats/valves are fine also .

    All these head sets came from engines that have 2 numbers and a letter in there engine number pre-fix . 12D to 86D .

    If your mid 70s 3.5 is a 341 . 355 , 359 , 398 etc prefix .
    Being 8.25 or .5 or .13 :1 ratio it will have small valve heads and i think you will find that these valve seats are not so lpg friendly and i would keep flash lube etc on these . None of the early V8s had stem seals at all .

    Actually when i think on it a bit more if yours is a 398 prefix with 8.13:1 ratio and is at least 76 it should have the bigger valve heads but the only way of knowing is the casting numbers on the heads which if bigger valve will be ERC-0216 , this is the numbers the first of the bigger valved heads had .

    Being its age it could have had much done to it over the years you`d need to know what it is before you can be sure .

    Cheers

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