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    Swapping Injector Pumps

    Hi Everyone,

    I'm in diagnosis mode problem solving what now appears to be a 'diesel knock' in my 300tdi Defender.

    I've been through the works, changed the vacuum pump and injectors, checked the oil pressure, sump off and checked the end caps, the list goes on... I might have replaced a few suspect gaskets on the way.

    The last piece of the puzzle is the FIP. I happen to have a spare to test but the problem is it's bolted onto my 300tdi Disco.

    I need to borrow some tools for a weekend, specifically 2 x 300tdi timing kits so that I can swap the pumps over to test without disturbing the timing belt etc.

    Can anyone assist? I'm located in Baulkham Hills.

    Thanks,

    Mathew

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    before you do that, hve you got enough fuel pressure coming out of the lift pump to the injector pump? checkk for a blocked fuel feed fro mthe tank or blocked filter.
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    Lift Pump ....

    Thanks for the suggestion but based on investigations to date this is unlikely.

    The FIP is the only thing left.

    The knock is only at idle and low rpm. It clears as the rpm rises (i.e. as the timing becomes more advanced).

    The D'Fer was dyno tuned by the previous owner and I suspect that the timing is a fraction too advanced. Theoretically this is great for high rpm operation, but I'm more interested in reliability and longevity than revving the ring off the truck.

    Regards,

    Mathew

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    Quote Originally Posted by SavingTheDefender View Post
    Thanks for the suggestion but based on investigations to date this is unlikely.

    The FIP is the only thing left.

    The knock is only at idle and low rpm. It clears as the rpm rises (i.e. as the timing becomes more advanced).

    The D'Fer was dyno tuned by the previous owner and I suspect that the timing is a fraction too advanced. Theoretically this is great for high rpm operation, but I'm more interested in reliability and longevity than revving the ring off the truck.

    Regards,

    Mathew
    I wouldn't say that....

    if the mechanical pump is struggling to make enough effective flow at low RPM but upping the RPMS gives it enough flow to get the correct operating pressure to the FIP...

    I get this quite frequently when I screw up my WVO mix and the engine bay filter is still cold
    Dave

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    Ok. Ordering a lift pump.

    I'll take your advice and order a lift pump. Not much point me asking for advice and not being prepared to take it!

    The quest continues...

    Regards,

    Mathew

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    New lift pump is in...

    And she's still knocking...

    Worth the effort and occasional swear word to swap it over. Manually pumping the old one produced, well nothing. The new one gave a distinctive puff of air and positive action when testing dry.

    I turned down the idle while I was there, but The D'Fer is still knocking when cold. Less so when warm.

    Any other suggestions out there?

    Thanks,

    Mathew

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    I know you changed the injectors did you pattern them?

    and have you checked the injector sealing?
    Dave

    "In a Landrover the other vehicle is your crumple zone."

    For spelling call Rogets, for mechanicing call me.

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    Archaeoptersix 1990 6x6 dual cab(This things staying)


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    I know you changed the injectors did you pattern them?

    are you getting a good return from the inector spill lines?


    and have you checked the injectors sealing in the head?
    Dave

    "In a Landrover the other vehicle is your crumple zone."

    For spelling call Rogets, for mechanicing call me.

    Fozzy, 2.25D SIII Ex DCA Ute
    Tdi autoManual d1 (gave it to the Mupion)
    Archaeoptersix 1990 6x6 dual cab(This things staying)


    If you've benefited from one or more of my posts please remember, your taxes paid for my skill sets, I'm just trying to make sure you get your monies worth.
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    I replaced #3 injector with a new one following the advice of a 'specialist' and swapped the other three injectors with those from my 300tdi Discovery, which runs as quiet as a church mouse.

    I've not yet put the injectors from The D'Fer into the Discovery to cross check, as I was planning on sending them to my local diesel center for a clean and test etc.

    Having turned down the idle The D'Fer is similarly quiet at idle, except for the bloody knock!

    Some questions:

    1. Apart from changing the return lines to clear plastic, how to you check the return flow?

    2. How do you 'pattern' a diesel injector? I'm working on the basis at the moment that given that the injectors are either new or came from a reliable source all is well in that regard.

    I replaced the copper injector washer/seal for new on each injector. No air leaks.

    Regards,

    Mathew

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    just remove the spill hose.

    to pttern test, using a spare injector line install an injector on it and crnk the engine over.

    crack the injector unions on the other injectors first so it wont start, remember they are a 2 stage injector hold a card over the injector about 5 cms away and crank it over your looking for all 4 injctors to pattern the same and to not "hose" they shouldd atomise.

    describing how the 2 stage injection looks isnt easy but you'll know it if you see it. what you're looking for is for all 4 injectors to pattern the same.

    assuming its not some odd bod mechanical like the aircleaner bracket rattling while its cold on a loose support bolt short of a full fuel swap out this is about the last check you can do before you have to start messing with the pump and its timing.

    you could try dotoring the fuel or running a sample of the fuel through another vehicle to elimintate a dodgy fuel batch.
    Dave

    "In a Landrover the other vehicle is your crumple zone."

    For spelling call Rogets, for mechanicing call me.

    Fozzy, 2.25D SIII Ex DCA Ute
    Tdi autoManual d1 (gave it to the Mupion)
    Archaeoptersix 1990 6x6 dual cab(This things staying)


    If you've benefited from one or more of my posts please remember, your taxes paid for my skill sets, I'm just trying to make sure you get your monies worth.
    If you think you're in front on the deal, pay it forwards.

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