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    Ron and the boys talking about going camping.

    “We should cook a roast on Saturday night - anyone got a camp oven?”

    Ron - “Leave it with me, I’ll sort something”

    Wiles Senior cooker.Wiles Senior cooker.Wiles Senior cooker.


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    Reproduction special wing nuts have been made for tail board and tea urn.
    Another photo shows some of the pipe paint work done.
    I have made a reproduction poker and scraper tools using the original from my Wiles senior as samples ( I don't want to steal stuff from the senior cooker as I will make a future restoration harder.)

    Currently working on the boiler tube cleaning brace of which I don't have a sample, but photos, ,the parts book and the brackets its suppose to hang on give me a good idea of its design and dimensions.

    I have been looking hard at the steaming pots and the way they are made.( they are nothing special)
    I have a plan to fix them, the hardest bit will be forming new replacement bottom sheets.
    I intend cutting a piece of thick steel plate to the rounded square shape and using the thick plate to hammer form to shape the pots new bottom sheet.
    From the factory the bottom sheet once formed were simply oxy welded to the sides.
    The inside was sealed with Tin heated and soldered .

    The hard part will be the tin plating.
    I have to wait until I can raise some money to buy the tin and other gear required.
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    I was going to take the Wiles cooker home and try cooking a roast in the oven.
    But when working the cooker out though the maze of stuff at work to the back of my 101 Landrover I realised there just was not enough clearance between the LHS mud guard and the tyre.
    There was only a few millimetres clearance.
    I always known of this been a issue with the Wiles junior.
    In fact when I had the mud guards off earlier for chassis rust repair, I refitted them a bout 5mm higher than what they were...…..that was the highest I could go without the guards interfering with the oven door or Tea urn.
    Every thing looked Ok .
    Now that the boiler and then oven and now full water tank, full boiler of water ,the springs have compressed enough for tyre to mud guard clearance to disappear.
    This is most likely the reason for this wiles Junior to be fitted with non standard Toyota wheels and tyres for much of its life.
    All other wiles junior I have seen have little clearance.
    I had Two options
    1/ reset springs...……...expensive and the springs and shackles looked OK and the spring are not flatten out that much.

    2/ relocate the trailer axle from the top of the spring to the bottom of the spring and raise the whole thing 4 to 5 inches.

    I have chosen to place the axle under the spring.
    This has also meant the front dolly wheel and rear stationary stabilizer legs are now to short.

    New longer rear stabilizer legs have been made and are now fitted.

    The original legs had a problem too in that they were never made with a water drain hole in the bottom of the leg.
    So if the unit is left out in the rain the leg pipes fill with water and rust internally over the years.
    My were getting very thin and I was toying with the idea of making new legs...…..so it was not a great lost anyway.

    I think the whole problem is Three fold

    1/ 7.50x 16 tyres are fitted instead of 600x 16

    2/ the springs have flatten out slightly over the years

    3/ basic design problem...…….have unit low enough to cook easily, verses oven door to mud guard
    to tyre clearance.

    I still need to rework the dolly wheel leg up front.
    The good news is the whole thing will still work with the modified legs and dolly if the suspension is lowered back again.

    The wheels now look to fit the mud guards and I have 4 to 5 inches of spring upwards wheel travel.
    The oven and fire doors are all easier to get too .
    The height increase has made little difference to the steamer pots or the tail gate/work bench when used.
    The problem / draw back is the oven cook top is slightly too high making to difficult to see what's burning/boiling on the stove top as one cannot see inside the cooking sauce pans or fry pans.
    It is also much harder to check the water level in the tea urn.
    The lunette height now may cause the cooker to be nose down if towed with a Jeep or landrover.
    ( this personally will not be too much of a problem for me as my 101 Landrover has both 2ft high and 3 foot high pintle hooks and the other tow vehicle for it will be my Studebaker 6x6 which again is slightly modified for 2ft or 3 ft height pintles.)
    Another thing,,,,I don't know what the weight all up is...….but it must be heavy, as the tyre pressures need to be 50 psi or better to stop excessive side wall bulge.( I don't think towing with a jeep is ever practical in the real world.)
    A boiler tube cleaning brace tool has been made .

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    Quote Originally Posted by 101 Ron View Post
    I was going to take the Wiles cooker home and try cooking a roast in the oven.
    But when working the cooker out though the maze of stuff at work to the back of my 101 Landrover I realised there just was not enough clearance between the LHS mud guard and the tyre.
    There was only a few millimetres clearance.
    I always known of this been a issue with the Wiles junior.
    In fact when I had the mud guards off earlier for chassis rust repair, I refitted them a bout 5mm higher than what they were...…..that was the highest I could go without the guards interfering with the oven door or Tea urn.
    Every thing looked Ok .
    Now that the boiler and then oven and now full water tank, full boiler of water ,the springs have compressed enough for tyre to mud guard clearance to disappear.
    This is most likely the reason for this wiles Junior to be fitted with non standard Toyota wheels and tyres for much of its life.
    All other wiles junior I have seen have little clearance.
    I had Two options
    1/ reset springs...……...expensive and the springs and shackles looked OK and the spring are not flatten out that much.

    2/ relocate the trailer axle from the top of the spring to the bottom of the spring and raise the whole thing 4 to 5 inches.

    I have chosen to place the axle under the spring.
    This has also meant the front dolly wheel and rear stationary stabilizer legs are now to short.

    New longer rear stabilizer legs have been made and are now fitted.

    The original legs had a problem too in that they were never made with a water drain hole in the bottom of the leg.
    So if the unit is left out in the rain the leg pipes fill with water and rust internally over the years.
    My were getting very thin and I was toying with the idea of making new legs...…..so it was not a great lost anyway.

    I think the whole problem is Three fold

    1/ 7.50x 16 tyres are fitted instead of 600x 16

    2/ the springs have flatten out slightly over the years

    3/ basic design problem...…….have unit low enough to cook easily, verses oven door to mud guard
    to tyre clearance.

    I still need to rework the dolly wheel leg up front.
    The good news is the whole thing will still work with the modified legs and dolly if the suspension is lowered back again.

    The wheels now look to fit the mud guards and I have 4 to 5 inches of spring upwards wheel travel.
    The oven and fire doors are all easier to get too .
    The height increase has made little difference to the steamer pots or the tail gate/work bench when used.
    The problem / draw back is the oven cook top is slightly too high making to difficult to see what's burning/boiling on the stove top as one cannot see inside the cooking sauce pans or fry pans.
    It is also much harder to check the water level in the tea urn.
    The lunette height now may cause the cooker to be nose down if towed with a Jeep or landrover.
    ( this personally will not be too much of a problem for me as my 101 Landrover has both 2ft high and 3 foot high pintle hooks and the other tow vehicle for it will be my Studebaker 6x6 which again is slightly modified for 2ft or 3 ft height pintles.)
    Another thing,,,,I don't know what the weight all up is...….but it must be heavy, as the tyre pressures need to be 50 psi or better to stop excessive side wall bulge.( I don't think towing with a jeep is ever practical in the real world.)
    A boiler tube cleaning brace tool has been made .
    Great Job Ron.
    I reckon you should send her/him back to Wiles & suggest they lift their game, putting you to all that trouble.

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    The written history of the wiles cooker was by he Wiles family and we all know there is always a different version of events.
    The wiles.cooker were a Brilliant idea and well suited to.the times.
    They were not perfect.
    The holes.in the rear extension stabilizer legs were not drilled straight for.the locking pins.
    I used the old.legs for a.guide for the holes in the new legs and was supprized how out of line they were.
    These things were simple low cost get them out of the door and as said before were not designed to last...........just to do the job in time of war.
    It shows in many ways in the design which was not changed much post war.
    The mud guard wheel clearance issue shows quick design with compromise for quick production..

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    Quote Originally Posted by 101 Ron View Post
    The written history of the wiles cooker was by he Wiles family and we all know there is always a different version of events.
    The wiles.cooker were a Brilliant idea and well suited to.the times.
    They were not perfect.
    The holes.in the rear extension stabilizer legs were not drilled straight for.the locking pins.
    I used the old.legs for a.guide for the holes in the new legs and was supprized how out of line they were.
    These things were simple low cost get them out of the door and as said before were not designed to last...........just to do the job in time of war.
    It shows in many ways in the design which was not changed much post war.


    The mud guard wheel clearance issue shows quick design with compromise for quick production..


    I seem to recall back in '56 the Army had the Static/fixed/free standing models in the three Coy Kitchens at Woodside SA. Why not? They were admirably suited to the role.

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    But Ron will it keep my pies warm without burning them?
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