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  1. 19th December 2013, 05:05 AM #141
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies View Post
    If they issue a brown slip for a vehicle that they know is over mass on one axle then that is fraud, as well as misleading avertising and both criminal offences.

    If they issue a brownslip to a vehicle and don't know that it doesn't meet mass and dimension limits then that is negligence.

    They can't absolve themselves from either of those actions or omissions by a disclaimer.

    The question still comes back to the fact that some variants may be within the limits and others may not be.
    the problem with that is..

    They dont issue the brown slip

    Its not their problem

    Its like holding me responsible for a repair failure thats failed because of a defective part when I've done the repair using parts that you purchased and provided instead of ones I provide.

    If registering vehicles was their trade then they would have a problem but as it is legally and morally it is the responsibility of the agency that is being paid to provide the service of the rego slipping paperwork to do their job correctly.

    Similarly the reason you are not permitted to start, run or invasively inspect the gear (hell I'm surprised they let you open the bonnet, the one of the townsville auction houses wouldn't let you open the doors or get underneath) is that it is NOT the property of greys for them to give that permission, why do you think that there is a premium paid on every item they sell? Clever machine sellers in Darwin used to be on site when their gear was being sold so that interested buyers could at least run and test the basic functionality of the machine (this was 10+ years ago now I have no doubt that insurance has put paid to that) unsurprisingly the bidding was always much hotter on gear that the owner had shown up to permit testing.
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  2. 19th December 2013, 05:29 AM #142
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    Sellers of this magnitude have duties. They are selling hundreds of them. So you are saying that if a child is injured by a faulty product, then they have no claim due to a concept of caveat emptor. Not true. What about the tort of negligence?
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  3. 19th December 2013, 06:47 AM #143
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    The sellers do, but the sellers Aint Greys, they just hold the auction.

    If you have a beef about how the auction was handled then you talk to them.

    If you have a problem with the condition of the equipment as it was sold then thats a problem that you take up with the person(company) who commissioned the sale.

    In your case...

    IF you buy the gear you have accepted it as it is where it was, if you find something wrong with it and you keep using it and someone gets hurt thats your problem and you wear the consequences. IF you have a bit of paper that says its all fine and dandy and its not then its not the problem of the person who sold the equipment, its not the problem of the person who held the auction its still your problem YOU have to prove that you didnt know or have reason to suspect that the paperwork was wrong (which a really good law firm will find this thread and then your screwed) and then you have to have the responsibility apportioned to the person(company) who completed and submitted the paperwork.

    Claim what you like think what you want but thats how it is.

    Is it legal? yes,
    is it moraly sound? probably not
    Can you do anything about it? sure, don't buy something if you don't think its up to standard or sort the problem out before you go about using the gear.
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  4. 19th December 2013, 07:52 AM #144
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blknight.aus View Post
    the problem with that is..

    They dont issue the brown slip

    Its not their problem ...
    The company who issues the brownslip is Australian National Disposals Pty Ltd of the same address.

    I would suggest that both AFM plus AND are directly related to the parent company Sell and Parker.

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  5. 19th December 2013, 09:10 AM #145
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies View Post
    The company who issues the brownslip is Australian National Disposals Pty Ltd of the same address.

    I would suggest that both AFM plus AND are directly related to the parent company Sell and Parker.
    I'll bet they are a subsidurary business of a company.

    (look at it as umbrellering if the small company that does roadworthies gets busted they just write it off and start a new one)
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  6. 19th December 2013, 12:02 PM #146
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    Maybe, guess a disgruntled buyer needs to challenge.
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  7. 19th December 2013, 09:27 PM #147
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    I've got to say, it's the first truck/machinery auction I've ever been to where you can't start or operate any equipment.. Bit odd.
    As an aside, I've found out I'm legal to 6.7tons on the front axle if I fit super singles..problem is getting closer to being solved..now I just need an actual front axle weight, not a guesstimate weight.
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  8. 20th December 2013, 09:44 PM #148
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    Have you tried Mack themselves?

    They must have a technical office who would have the specs.

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  9. 22nd December 2013, 02:37 PM #149
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    Quote Originally Posted by Summiitt View Post
    I've got to say, it's the first truck/machinery auction I've ever been to where you can't start or operate any equipment.. Bit odd.
    As an aside, I've found out I'm legal to 6.7tons on the front axle if I fit super singles..problem is getting closer to being solved..now I just need an actual front axle weight, not a guesstimate weight.
    Wonder if they would let you jack a wheel up and slip a portable scale underneath ???

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  10. 22nd December 2013, 07:47 PM #150
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    "Noisey, slow, hot, hard to drive, uncomfortable, underpowered, overweight, maintenance intensive and ugly." which translates out of nacy boy into "What Chuck Norris would trasform into if he ever became a transformer"

    Have to refute hard to drive, and comfort did improve when they bagged the rear ends if the cargos. Hot and noisy is absolutely true. There are a few old prototypes with stack exhausts and roof cupola which usually ended up as gun tractors ( split tray with a crane in the middle).

    Not for the faint of heart or short of pocket, but if anyone here buys one and needs it driven somewhere PM me- wouldn't mind another go!
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