Dangerous modifications. What’s your mind set?

**Disco-tastic** · 3rd July 2018, 06:29 PM

Originally Posted by AK83

Fair enough, BUT!
... If the treehouse was built with any thought towards safety, we wouldn't be living in a 'nanny state'.
Kids are not smart. No one is smart, until they've experienced enough to know better. You are told that something is not safe, and if you ignore it then you are doomed to suffer the consequences of that action. Kids just don't care. ...

Speak for your own kids but I've found kids are very smart and very clever - they may not understand high school maths or physics (I started explaining atoms to my 4yr old son today - you could watch the cute little cogs turning in his head!) but there sense of awareness and common sense develops very quickly. My four yr old will climb trees until he feels unsafe and will call for help when he thinks he's overcooked it.

I had an emotional (for her) discussion with my MIL after my boy fell off the top of his fort (over 2.5m above ground) and landed on his face in the grass (that in itself is another story). She was very upset that I let him climb all over it and the risks involved and I responded along the lines of "that's what I did as a kid, and I learned to find my limits and assess risk. My concern for his safety is real, but I can either set all his limits for him, then let him loose on the world when his 18, or let him find some of them himself, so that he has some chance as an adult.

Anyways, this thread is interesting. Except for maybe Eevo's and Inc's little romance - that I don't need to know about

Dangerous modifications. What’s your mind set?

Tombie · 3rd July 2018, 07:07 PM

My Uncle and his 2 mates back when they were about 11yrs old tried to make a cubby in sand once.

One of the mates managed to get out when it collapsed and run for help. Unfortunately by the time my Uncle and the other lad were found and pulled out of the sand they were both dead.

In my youth I was fortunate to survive - I gave fate so many chances to end my life - sadly quite a few of my mates succeeded in their quest for death by misadventure.

I’m not sure what the answer is to be honest because nothing seems to work.

**Mick_Marsh** · 3rd July 2018, 07:32 PM

Originally Posted by Homestar

Maybe it also has a brake booster out of a D1 in it as well - But I bet no Cop or Insurance assessor would know what was supposed to be in there and it looks for all the world like it's been there forever. Easy conversion, improves brakes no end.

It's interesting how these things are handled overseas.
For example, what came out on the 101 forum is in the UK it is easy to fit a D1 brake booster. No engineering required for that modification. Yet, it is downright dangerous to get an original brake booster repaired. If you do, the vehicle should be put off the road, according to some.

**Homestar** · 3rd July 2018, 08:49 PM

Originally Posted by Mick_Marsh

It's interesting how these things are handled overseas.
For example, what came out on the 101 forum is in the UK it is easy to fit a D1 brake booster. No engineering required for that modification. Yet, it is downright dangerous to get an original brake booster repaired. If you do, the vehicle should be put off the road, according to some.

Why does that not surprise me with that lot.... 😁

**loanrangie** · 3rd July 2018, 09:04 PM

I would be interested in statistics from the US where its almost an open slather on modifications.

**rangieman** · 3rd July 2018, 09:11 PM

Originally Posted by loanrangie

I would be interested in statistics from the US where its almost an open slather on modifications.

Why any one can jiggle statistics to suit what ever they want to hear

**Disco-tastic** · 3rd July 2018, 09:22 PM

Originally Posted by rangieman

Why any one can jiggle statistics to suit what ever they want to hear

Did you know that 73% of statistics are made up?

**loanrangie** · 3rd July 2018, 10:34 PM

Of course but in the land of litigation there can't be many deaths attributed to modified vehicles otherwise they would be restricted.

**trout1105** · 4th July 2018, 05:17 AM

I wonder why we can do whatever we like to our boats and yet many simple modifications on our cars require a mountain of paperwork with the associated Gov fees.
Also changing ownership of a boat costs a mere fraction of the costs for the same value car even though in the West you do the changeover at the same Gov office.
Maybe the car is overlegislated and everyting to do with them is just a cash cow for the Gov.
Personally i think old mates bullbar was very well constructed and if it was fitted with a set of engeneered crash cans it would be as good if not better than some of the commercial offerings.
Common sense needs to prevail But i see absolutly nothing wrong with people moking their own hardware as long as they know what they are doing.

Tombie · 4th July 2018, 06:05 AM

Originally Posted by trout1105

I wonder why we can do whatever we like to our boats and yet many simple modifications on our cars require a mountain of paperwork with the associated Gov fees.
Also changing ownership of a boat costs a mere fraction of the costs for the same value car even though in the West you do the changeover at the same Gov office.
Maybe the car is overlegislated and everyting to do with them is just a cash cow for the Gov.
Personally i think old mates bullbar was very well constructed and if it was fitted with a set of engeneered crash cans it would be as good if not better than some of the commercial offerings.
Common sense needs to prevail But i see absolutly nothing wrong with people moking their own hardware as long as they know what they are doing.

And if vehicle manufacturers shared the required data then I would suggest we may be able to have it modelled to be compliant.

ARB for instance get this data. Model a prototype and then mount it on a jig that does the impact test to ensure it meets the requirements.

So unfortunately a few must be destroyed to ensure that timing pulse is correct.

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