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    LED headlights/inserts and ADR legalities?

    So we constantly read that most LED headlight upgrades are non ADR approved usually because the LLEd hasn't had ADR or ECE compliance for the specific item.

    eg. I have Philips Ultinon H4 inserts in my D1, and they're not ADR approved. Got it, reading it simply in that manner, makes you 100% sure that they're not ADR approved to use on the road.

    BUT!
    What happened previously with the ADRs was that here was simply no legislation to cover the use of LED light sources for the use of headlights.
    The ADRs specifically covered the use of filament globes(sealed beam and halogen) and gas discharge(eg. HID) headlight globe types only.
    Tech outpaced the legislature(as always) so amendments were made to allow some manufacturers to use LEDs.

    So I went through as much as I could(bare!) again, and read this interesting section that pretty much sounds to me like LED globes in themselves may not be as illegal as some folks insist.

    Dipped-beam headlamps with a light source or LED module(s) producing the principal dipped beam and having a total objective luminous flux which exceeds 2,000 lumen shall only be installed in conjunction with the installation of headlamp cleaning device(s) according to Regulation No. 45.
    That quote is copy and pasted straight from the ADR source.

    So we know that LEDs as a light source are not illegal.
    As long as my headlights(ie. the assembly) complies with the relevant ADR clauses in terms of projection, I should be OK.

    I assume that these Ultinons that I'm using may produce more than 2000 lumen in dipped beam usage, AND I have the headlight washer system(but not connected ATM) on my D1.
    If I connect my headlamp powerwash, the way I'm reading the ADR rules, my headlights are 'legal'.
    Alternatively, if the Ultinons prove to output 1999 lumens, I don't need the powerwash system running.

    I think the takeway message here is that a properly designed LED headlight insert(which there are a few, like the Philips and J W Speaker models) that doesn't scatter light crazily! .. should be pretty much OK, as long as your headlights are properly aligned.

    I gotta work out how to measure luminous flux properly too I reckon.

    What do others think/know ?
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    Interesting find. I knew that HID retrofit was usuallly too hard to do legally because of headlamp wash and or self leveling requirements but good to know it now applies to LED

    My reading of the ADRs is that the manufacturers need to apply for the approval mark and many just have not bothered.

    Your question about the lumen of the product is part of the published information the manufacturers have to include. That is, an approved bulb will have its lumens noted on the packet.

    So these guys have their headlamp rated as less than 2000 lumen - thus not needing the headlamp power wash.

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    The issue I see is that if the headlights do not have an appropriate marking, you may have to prove (to the relevant authority's satisfaction) that the lights meet the specification of the ADR. If someone (such as your insurer, the other bloke's insurer, or a cop you have rubbed the wrong) way wants to dispute this, it could be quite difficult.

    On the other hand, if they do not cause glare, it is very unlikely that the question will ever arise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AK83 View Post
    So I went through as much as I could(bare!) again, and read this interesting section that pretty much sounds to me like LED globes in themselves may not be as illegal as some folks insist.

    Dipped-beam headlamps with a light source or LED module(s) producing the principal dipped beam and having a total objective luminous flux which exceeds 2,000 lumen shall only be installed in conjunction with the installation of headlamp cleaning device(s) according to Regulation No. 45.
    That quote is copy and pasted straight from the ADR source.
    Which ADR and which clause?

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    Yes - my brothers current model RAV 4 has led lights (ok on low beam - hi beam is non existant) as standard - no washers on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mick_Marsh View Post
    Which ADR and which clause?
    Vehicle Standard (Australian Design Rule 13/00 – Installation of Lighting and Light Signalling Devices on other than L-Group Vehicles) 2005

    compilation date 18/11/2017, but the original issue of the amendment appears to have been made in 2007

    Link Here

    hopefully the link takes you directly to the relevant paragraph but if not, then scroll down to 6.2.9.

    The other interesting point to note is that they refer too the lumen rating as 'objective luminous flux' which implies that the lumen rating is taken from the headlight lens(ie. not the actual globe, or in the case of an LED, the chip).
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    Ah. That is actually from "United Nations regulation 48".
    Rule 11.1 in ADR 13 states:
    The technical requirements of United Nations Regulation No. 48 - UNIFORM PROVISIONS CONCERNING THE APPROVAL OF VEHICLES WITH REGARD TO THE INSTALLATION OF LIGHTING AND LIGHT-SIGNALLING DEVICES, from the 00 series of amendments and including up to the 06 series of amendments, shall be deemed to be equivalent to the technical requirements of this standard.
    With the demise of the local car industry, ADRs are now pointless. We have no control over the design of cars imported into Australia. I suspect we will be adopting international regulations soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mick_Marsh View Post
    Ah. That is actually from "United Nations regulation 48".
    .... ADRs are now pointless. We have no control over the design of cars imported into Australia. I suspect we will be adopting international regulations soon.
    Yeah, this has been 'transitioning' from about 2005-06 (about the earliest record I can locate), where the overall idea was to reduce the cost to manufacturers(I'm thinking local ones at that point) as they align rules to a more global approach.

    That is, if they hadn't started this process, the rules would have affected local cars for possible export if the ADRs weren't aligned with export markets.

    So ADRs in themselves aren't so much pointless, I'm pretty sure we'll still have them to account for regional differences. eg. bullbars .. in EU/UK are not legal, but here they are due to our regional requirements(such as roos!). But they'll still have to conform to some safety specs.

    etc, etc.
    Arthur.

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    Its round & 7" , you can see & don't glare oncoming drivers , then use them .
    My Defender had certified Trucklites $750 from memory , My Iveco has certified Narva 90mm LED low beams $1200 (just for low beam) & my Electric LW has Chinese Trucklite LED's , cant pick them from the genuine item , $100 the pair and best light of the lot and only 15 /45w .

    Not headlights but ADR's
    Iveco 4x4 brakes don't even go close to complying with ADR's - on several points (they are outright dangerous) there is no shuttle valve or line pressure fail switch, & both circuits share the same fluid, when a line fails you lose aLL brakes. Any thats not even touching on how ineffective & how easily they overheat & fade. But the trucks have EU certification and are compliant in Australia on the back of EU paperwork. EU are all about emissions & nothing else - But the E6 unit is still getting plated as E4 here , they have it both ways.

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    Some more strangeness I just found:

    As I've noted prior, I have the Philips Ultinon LEDs(H4)

    Had a quick peek at their website, under the specs tab, they rate these LEDs at 1000/1350 lumens. Assume that means dip/high beams.
    I'm guessing fair enough, maybe they're just being overly conservative/accurate or something.
    They also claim 200% additional light output(over what?)

    Had a look at a random halogen product in their H4 range and found a so called WhiteVision model.
    They claim +60% additional output to what I assume is a general halogen globe.
    They claim it's 100% white, but then rate the colour temp at 3700K

    So anomaly 1 is, how do you achieve a pure white light with a kelvin rating of only 3700?
    Then they also state it's lumen rating at ... 1650+-15%/1000+-15%. I assume that's high/low beam ratings.

    How to do you achieve 60% more light output at 1650 lumens, compared to 200% more at only 1350 lumens?

    Either way, I'm feeling more confident that even tho the Ultinon doesn't have ECE/ADR approval, it operates as per a normal H4 globe, providing output through an ADR approved 'objective' at less than 2000 lumens.

    I've never tried their so called WhiteVision globes, brother has a pair of pure white H4's in his D2(I think Narva maybe) and they look pale green next to my LEDs now.
    When he first got his +50% pale green globes, I thought they were great compared to my D1's tealights that is.
    Took me a few months to track down enough info, make the commitment to the Ultinons, and pray I hadn't wasted that $200.

    I remember when at my old work(interstate transport co.) got their new T900s and had them optioned with those trucklites .. I was green with envy with the carp I had to put up with back then.
    ps. I'm not an interstate driver.

    I also thought that maybe the round conversion may have been an option on the D1/2, but they just look plain ugly like that.
    Defer, or any car with rounds to begin with .. if I had that type of vehicle, it'd have been a no brainer spend the $s and just get it done.
    Arthur.

    All these discos are giving me a heart attack!

    '99 D1 300Tdi Auto ( now sold :( )
    '03 D2 Td5 Auto
    '03 D2a Td5 Auto

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