Thread: REMOVING ADBLU SYSTEM

Originally Posted by DiscoMick

Actually, its illegal no matter if you are caught or not.
I realise I sound like a spoilsport, and really I don't care - its all on the owner, not me. And on the thousands of people who suffer breathing illnesses every year because of vehicle pollution caused in part by people modifying their vehicles and ignoring the emissions laws.
Anyway, rant over.

According to your profile your 2009 Defender has been "Chipped" which will alter the factory emissions settings so you yourself are doing the same as the people you are moaning about with their EGR deletes, Talk about throwing stones in glass houses

Originally Posted by DiscoMick

Actually, its illegal no matter if you are caught or not.
I realise I sound like a spoilsport, and really I don't care - its all on the owner, not me. And on the thousands of people who suffer breathing illnesses every year because of vehicle pollution caused in part by people modifying their vehicles and ignoring the emissions laws.
Anyway, rant over.

As I pointed out before In Australia NB1 & NB2 vehicles are still being plated as EURO4 , DPF not needed to comply with EURO4 , so technically still comply . Although the EPA say its illegal to alter the emissions system "without just cause" .


Actually its been shown that the microscopic particles emitted during a DPF regen burn are far more dangerous to human health that larger soot particles. This is why ALL diesel are being banned from 2030 , DPF , Adbule etc does not actually work, its another con job.

The DPF particles enter your bloodstream directly through your skin , The Soot from pre DPF vehicles need to go via your lungs . Whats the better of 2 evils.

DPF particulates (PM2.5 ) are even affecting unborn children.
Traffic pollution putting unborn babies' health at risk, warn experts | BMJ

Effects of prenatal exposure to diesel exhaust particles on postnatal development, behavior, genotoxicity and inflammation in mice

That should be "just cause" enough to satisfy the EPA. was well as numerous other health, safety and financial reasons.

I'll never buy another Diesel powered vehicle, and most likely will never buy another ICE engine of any type.

Originally Posted by trout1105

According to your profile your 2009 Defender has been "Chipped" which will alter the factory emissions settings so you yourself are doing the same as the people you are moaning about with their EGR deletes, Talk about throwing stones in glass houses

Doesn't have Adblue or DPF though.

If your vehicle is using DEF (Diesel Exhaust Fluid, Adblue) then it wouldn't be running DPF as well. SCR, Selective Catalitic Reduction is the process that uses DEF so technically is one system not two. I have driven trucks with DEF and it is a PITA, the Mack got a blocked muffler twice, boss not happy at $750 a throw. Had just as much trouble with DPFs on the Kenworths running Cummins engines.

The solution with the Mack was to access the computer and reduce the amount of DEF being applied to the lowest available, a poofteenth of a mil I believe. Took ages to run through a 200 litre tank after that. The Kenworth solution, pull the DPFs out and clean them with solvent and hose them out and dry them. Not really kosher but both solutions were the most economical in a business sense.

The reason that these polutants suddenly started making an impact is because the population density increased, which in turn increase the number exposed, which in turn increased the number of complaints. This same increase in population densities also increased the number of vehicles on the road in these higher density areas.

To be honest we just have too many people on the planet and it is not going to get any better.

P.S. Cummins did away with DPF and went to SCR

Originally Posted by ChookD2

If your vehicle is using DEF (Diesel Exhaust Fluid, Adblue) then it wouldn't be running DPF as well. SCR, Selective Catalitic Reduction is the process that uses DEF so technically is one system not two. I have driven trucks with DEF and it is a PITA, the Mack got a blocked muffler twice, boss not happy at $750 a throw. Had just as much trouble with DPFs on the Kenworths running Cummins engines.

The solution with the Mack was to access the computer and reduce the amount of DEF being applied to the lowest available, a poofteenth of a mil I believe. Took ages to run through a 200 litre tank after that. The Kenworth solution, pull the DPFs out and clean them with solvent and hose them out and dry them. Not really kosher but both solutions were the most economical in a business sense.

The reason that these polutants suddenly started making an impact is because the population density increased, which in turn increase the number exposed, which in turn increased the number of complaints. This same increase in population densities also increased the number of vehicles on the road in these higher density areas.

To be honest we just have too many people on the planet and it is not going to get any better.

P.S. Cummins did away with DPF and went to SCR

Yes the world has way too many people, What happened to Agenda 21?

Are you sure about SCR not needing DPF ?





SCR does not have a DPF function

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I'm no mechanic and can only tell what I experienced with large trucks. I don't believe the Mack had a DPF, which probably accounts for the muffler getting blocked. It was my understanding that through the catalytic process, particulates were reduced along with NOx (nitrogen oxide). I can tell you if you run out of Adblue (in a Mack) the engine goes in to limp mode and there are fault codes related to NOx sensors and the like, ask me how I know.

The Mack I had would be very early in the scheme of adblue, about a 2011 model, IIRC.
Maybe DPF has since been included in order to rid the world of more evil diesel emissions.