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    Quote Originally Posted by Robmacca View Post
    Agreed.... I was more wanting to know about what's better in cold climates (Petrol or Diesel) with today's vehicles...
    Go back to my original comments in this thread - with today's vehicles, cold weather is not an issue for either fuel, certainly for any cold weather in this country. Which is not to say that particular models don't have cold weather problems due, for example, to inadequate battery capacity. But this has nothing to do with fuel type.
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    Modern vehicles have start/stop systems and what not so they use AGM batteries which is an advantage in cold climates; they provide more CCA compared to flooded. Although starting and running a modern engine in colder climates is fairly comparable, unless you go REALLY low (say -35 and beyond where petrol will edge out imho) there is also the minor little point of driver comfort. Modern frugal diesel engines simple do not heat up enough to be able to spare enough warmth to warm your interior. A less frugal petrol engine will have the edge here. My dad used to own a volvo V70 petrol and was nice and warm in winter (indeed with a block heater and interior heater so he got into a warm car to start with) but his current KIA eco diesel POS simply can't get the temp up (enough) in mid winter.

    Mind you, my P38 with very frugal V8, of course, had no problem whatsoever keeping us nice and warm inside all the way

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    Quote Originally Posted by prelude View Post
    Modern vehicles have start/stop systems and what not so they use AGM batteries which is an advantage in cold climates; they provide more CCA compared to flooded. Although starting and running a modern engine in colder climates is fairly comparable, unless you go REALLY low (say -35 and beyond where petrol will edge out imho) there is also the minor little point of driver comfort. Modern frugal diesel engines simple do not heat up enough to be able to spare enough warmth to warm your interior. A less frugal petrol engine will have the edge here. My dad used to own a volvo V70 petrol and was nice and warm in winter (indeed with a block heater and interior heater so he got into a warm car to start with) but his current KIA eco diesel POS simply can't get the temp up (enough) in mid winter.

    Mind you, my P38 with very frugal V8, of course, had no problem whatsoever keeping us nice and warm inside all the way

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    I presume you are using a radiator cover in the winter - helps with keeping things warm!

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    Quote Originally Posted by prelude View Post

    Mind you, my P38 with very frugal V8, of course, had no problem whatsoever keeping us nice and warm inside all the way

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    Being a Land Rover it would normally keep you warm without using the heater.

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    It does have a radiotor cover and some other gadgetry, I do not know how it works

    The problem is compounded by road conditions however, small winding roads and ice do not match well so you have to adjust your driving style, even though in all months with an "r" (so september through to april) they drive with studded tyres. The engine is loaded a lot less and even less heat is produced. The trip to the nearest supermarket is 60K's though so eventually things might get warm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crash View Post
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    LPG can be a real bugger in the cold, and vehicles with LPG were a lot harder to start than any petrol or diesel.
    Not just vehicles suffer with LPG, it can be difficult to light a gas ring in the cold, basically because not enough gas is "boiling off" due to the low temps i,e, most of the bottle content is liquid.

    But don't be tempted to heat the gas bottle on an electric hotplate, as I knew a fridgie who tried this with a refrigeration bottle at a Telecom site, but got an urgent call out and forgot about the bottle, when he returned he said the workshop door looked like match wood lying in the yard.
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    You use vaporizers for LPG when it is cold. You can use it at any temperature.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RANDLOVER View Post
    Not just vehicles suffer with LPG, it can be difficult to light a gas ring in the cold, basically because not enough gas is "boiling off" due to the low temps i,e, most of the bottle content is liquid.
    Actually, for LPG, almost all of the gas is always liquid with Liquid Petroleum Gas, the issue is when it is all liquid. A mixture of propane and butane, its usable minimum temperature depends on the proportions of these.

    The boiling point of propane is about -42C, butane 0C at STP, higher when under pressure (but not much, at the pressures in LPG cylinders). So even pure propane will not work below about -40C.
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