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I can't see the links, but i am guessing they are adds for 200 series at rediculous prices? Just shows people are stupid if they pay that. Saw an add for a patrol for $119k the other day, and some fool will pay that, i paid $65k 3 years ago. Supply, demand, and stupidity.Quote:
Originally Posted by PhilipA
As for the terrible cars, chat to a few engine shops[emoji6]
What these sort of add's are showing is the Toyota/Nissan 4WD's have a good resale value and besides the old defender can that also be said for all the other Landrover 4WD modles out there?Quote:
Originally Posted by Vern
The chip shortage has caused a lot of the overpriced sales of used Toyota/Nissan 4WD's of late because some people are too impatiant to wait for a new car to be delivered however I can't see that this phenomenon has forced an upward trend for secondhand disco's RR's.
agreed on the topic of used sales 'prices'.
Most of which are 'dreamers' as they say in the movies.
Wasn't that long ago when 'used' toilet paper prices skyrocketed to stupid levels .. because folks seem to think there was a quick way to make a buck ... all came crashing down rather quickly and they were caught out too.
So what some people ask for their pride and joy .. is not necessarily it's 'value'.
It's more indicative that folks have moved on from being dunny roll speculators to the more advanced position of auto trader speculators.
BTW: I regularly look at D2 prices .. have done so for the past 5-6 years. I've noticed a general upward trend for them. TD5s especially. V8's only a little less. Can't help with other stuff like RRs and Defers .. don't really look.
So yep .. can be said of some other LR stuff too.
Which is exactly what LR seem to do every so often when there is a model change,for a very low volume seller,often selling way less than 100000 a year.As per my example of D5.Quote:
Originally Posted by AK83
We will have to wait and see if new Defender is also a relatively low volume seller.
With Covid,etc,any current figures are probably not a real example of exactly what is happening.
I did read somewhere that 17000 were sold one quarter,worldwide,but the figure probably means nothing in this economic climate.
The figures I quoted were exactly as said,LC200 sales.
But yes they do get mixed up in many figures,that is 70,what we call Prado,and 200/300,in different countries.
We spent over a month in East Africa two years ago,and the 70 series was definitely the vehicle of choice,I can’t remember ever seeing a 200.
Actually,for many,in the outback towns,the TDI Defender was highly sort after due to its simplicity.
Many large vehicles are having drops in sales,that is a given the way things are going in the vehicle industry.
Nothing new there.
I think in Aus with the disappearance of Ford and Holden products this has no doubt increased the sales of large 4x4 wagons,no matter what the brand,and also European vehicles such as Mercedes,BMW,etc.
Now why would that be?[bighmmm][biggrin]Quote:
Originally Posted by Vern
They are a lot smaller than a Y62,particularly in the load area.
But probably nicer and easier.to park at the shops
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Originally Posted by PhilipA
No, it just illustrates the points being made above by a couple of the posters - Australians may like Land Cruisers but pretty much no-one else does, not even the Japanese: in the last 30 years of living in and visiting Japan I can only recall seeing one Land Cruiser in Tokyo. In case you're saying to yourself, "oh, because it's too big for those narrow Japanese streets" - nope, quite apart from there being heaps of other big SUVs like the BMW X5 and G Wagens, I used to see people driving U400 Unimogs around - and the main roads are typically wider than here anyway. I did see modified LC 70s for sale, but they were being used off-road and there weren't that many about.
Look Landcruisers are suited to markets where their attributes are appreciated like the Middle East and Australia which I think account for 80% or more of sales . In the first drive of the 300 You tube one of the engineers also noted Russia as a big market.
These are markets where 4WD is really needed . There is an interview with 2 of the development engineers on You Tube.
I gathered that in Oz they see the market as Rural buyers such as Station owners who and I approximately quote "have to go to the shops 300Km away on Corrugated dirt roads once a week"
In addition their user feedback included caravanners.
In Saudi they are used among others by the Bedouin who live transient lives in the desert travelling from the empty quarter with their flocks to Maan in Jordan every year. I have met them and seen them.
In the past after about 5 years in Saudi they were bought by Yemini smugglers to run from the Riyadh souks to Yemen with illegal goods, and after another 5 years they migrate to Ethiopia to be used for war or carrying goods.
They may eventually end up in Egypt or further south in Africa. There are complete villages in Egypt who completely dismantle and rebuild FJ series .
I don't know whether the Yemeni smuggling trade still exists but I would bet that it does, Civil war or no civil war.
This below is one of several with Australian Development engineers.
Strangely I have not seen any interviews with Defender Australian Engineers. Maybe LR would have avoided past errors like self destructing front suspension bushes if they had done some testing here.
4X4 vehicle development - LC300 tech engineer interview, Part 4/4 - accessories and specs - YouTube
The only buyers of 200's here are grey nomads, caravaners the occasional tourer.
The 300 looks useless as a tourer die to its small boot, obviously trying to make it more car like.
I'd buy a Y62 before any LC.
So as an example out of the 420000 or so 200’s which were being built each year,about 20000 went to Aus,and the other 400000 went,where?Quote:
Originally Posted by Arapiles
Maybe they dumped them all because no one else likes them.[biggrin]
In fact 5 yrs ago and earlier they were making over 600000 of them a year,and less were going to Aus.
Sure we are a huge market for them,but no where near the only market.
But the numbers will drop off due to changes all over the world with vehicles getting smaller,more efficient,etc.
[QUOTE=loanrangie;3127835]The only buyers of 200's here are grey nomads, caravaners the occasional tourer.
Plenty of young people driving 200's up my way.
Not many caravans attached to them, lots of boats
On long weekends you see processions of them on the highway and the majority are young.
Plenty of $130k cruisers towing $100k+ boats or vans.
Up in this shire they are the dominant large 4 wheel drive although we are seeing more Patrols