Thread: land rover/valiant hybrid

I reckon it'd go better than a holden 6 in a landy, my old 2a was a bugger with the 202 and way too thirsty for my liking plus the timing gear dissolved on me half way to Aldonga one weekend.

That and I know more about slants than holden 6's so I might be a bit biased.

John id say its a furphy re canuk hemi 6's.

As far as I know the 215/245/265 only went in Aus Vals and wherever they were exported being NZ, South Afrika, Fiji, PNG and a handful went to the UK as hire cars (Avis i think).

The Canadians had everything Mother Mopar had to offer from the US lineup and the only early 6's were 170 and 225 slant 6, 273/318/340/360's and the big block units.

As for slant 6 info?

Best read from the Guru's mouth on that mate but I will confirm that in the late 70's/ early 80's a turbo diesel slant 6 was produced coded the A513 but where they went I have no idea although marine would be a good app.

Id read these articles if you want to know more

The Mopar slant six engines

Articles

Cheers,
Tony

4x4 Motors in Blackburn Melbourne were selling adaptors and doing Valiant conversions in the the mid 1970's to early 80s. The adaptors were made by a mate of mine, Arnold Taylor, who may still have the casting pattern, but with respect, anyone contemplating fitting either a slant or hemi engine to any series Landrover gearbox is asking for a mountain of grief. They are simply not up to it. However, the bellhousing bolt pattern on Valiant engines will bolt up to the Dodge truck 4speed New Process 435 gearbox, and you can have a decent size clutch into the bargain.Some of these have a 10 spline rear output shaft (mainshaft) the same pattern as the LandRover,though slightly larger outside diameter and base(root)diameter of the splines. The Landy T/case input gear(mainshaft gear) gets the splined hole machined out slightly on a lathe, and the truck mainshaft has the output spline ground down slightly so that the 2 mate together.A transfercase to gearbox adaptor with an additional bearing that sits just behind the original gearbox mainshaft bearing is then made up. The additional bearing compensates for the lack of the Landy style tail bearing.
From memory the NP435 box is the same length as the Landy box, The t/case adaptor is about 12mm thick and the bell housing is close in length to the Landy bell and flywheel housing combined.
I have a similar gearbox behind my 2 1/4 litre engine, but mine is a Warner T98, commonly found in Ford and International trucks. My box including T/case adaptor is 36mm longer than standard LandRover.Either Fairey or Rocky mountain overdrives can be fitted in the normal way to these conversions if that's your thing.
Both these gearbox conversions are bulletproof set and forget affairs. Most of the petrol powered trucks and pickups that used these boxes are no longer economical to use on the road, and in the past I've been able to buy the boxes in good order for anything between 50 and 250 dollars.
wagoo.

Originally Posted by wagoo

4x4 Motors in Blackburn Melbourne were selling adaptors and doing Valiant conversions in the the mid 1970's to early 80s. The adaptors were made by a mate of mine, Arnold Taylor, who may still have the casting pattern, but with respect, anyone contemplating fitting either a slant or hemi engine to any series Landrover gearbox is asking for a mountain of grief. They are simply not up to it.The bellhousing bolt pattern on valiant engines will bolt up to the Dodge truck 4speed New Process 435 gearbox.Some of these have a 10 spline rear output shaft (mainshaft) the same pattern as the LandRover,though slightly larger outside diameter and base diameter of the splines. The Landy T/case input gear gets the splined hole machined out slightly on a lathe, and the truck mainshaft has the output spline ground down slightly so that the 2 mate together.A transfercase to gearbox adaptor with an additional bearing that sits just behind the original gearbox mainshaft bearing is then made up. The additional bearing compensates for the lack of the Landy style tail bearing.
From memory the NP435 box is the same length as the Landy box, The t/case adaptor is about 12mm thick and the bell housing is close in length to the Landy bell and flywheel housing combined.
I have a similar gearbox behind my 2 1/4 litre engine, but mine is a Warner T98, commonly found in Ford and International trucks. My box including T/case adaptor is 36mm longer than standard LandRover.Either Fairey or Rocky mountain overdrives can be fitted in the normal way to these conversions if that's our thing.
Both these gearbox conversions are bulletproof set and forget affairs.
wagoo.

does your mate have any adaptors kicking around or know where i could get my hands on one?

cheers
andrew

Originally Posted by andy3542

does your mate have any adaptors kicking around or know where i could get my hands on one?

cheers
andrew

I'll ask him when he gets back from holiday in a couple of days.
Wagoo.

Originally Posted by andy3542

does your mate have any adaptors kicking around or know where i could get my hands on one?

cheers
andrew

See Post #15 in this thread. He will guide you through the whole conversion including how to keep the under bonnet bits of the S3 heater demister which does not look possible at first.

Keep calling. Billy is away a lot.

Thanks for the post about the Borg Warner 98 Wagoo!

Would you be able to start another thread on what you had to do to make the conversion? It seems to me to be a good one for those of us who are going to use 200tdi engines,

Cheers Charlie

Originally Posted by chazza

Thanks for the post about the Borg Warner 98 Wagoo!

Would you be able to start another thread on what you had to do to make the conversion? It seems to me to be a good one for those of us who are going to use 200tdi engines,

Cheers Charlie

Charlie,I'm not certain that the T98 or NP435 is all that suitable for a relatively low powered engine such as a 200 tdi.It's more for big torquey engines like the Valiants or V8s etc.
I fitted one to a late friends series 3 swb that was regularly blowing up Landy boxes. This vehicle had a 200TdI, albeit with an Ashcroft type High Ratio transfercase conversion,on 7.50 x16s and the engine really didn't have enough flexibility to pull the t98s ratio gaps comfortably.My vehicle is ok with the std t/case, but I don't really have high road performance expectations more than I have a need for the low speed tractor style pulling power and reliability that the T98 provides.And at any rate I have a 2 spd splitter box that I can fit if I want better road performance.
Below are the T98 gear ratios.NP435 ratios are broadly similar.
1st gear=6.39:1 2nd=3.09:1 3rd= 1.66:1 4th= 1:1
As you can see 1st gear is too low for starting off on the road unless you have a very heavy load, so you start in 2nd which is a bit taller than the std series three 1st gear ratio of 3.66:1. Once you have wrung out 2nd gear you change into 3rd and then 4th which is similar to the Landy 3rd and 4th. To get a rough idea how a T98 will perform in your vehicle, try driving around for a while with the Landy box and skip 2nd gear at all times.You'll probably find it's too hard to live with on a day to day basis.
There is a relation of the T98 called the T18 that is all synchro and available in a closer ratio format with around 4.6:1 first gear, but to my knowledge they weren't used in trucks in any quantity for the Australian market, and therefore probably not available cheaply here.
Wagoo.