Thread: Toyota Diesel into 2A Shorty

Hello All,

For the first time after a couple of months being up on axle stands, I have Teddy sitting on it own four wheels again. Teddy has been on front axles stands for the majority of time it has been home. I just have to replace the connecting pipe that attaches to the flexible pipe goes across the chassis and then connect to the main brake line on the passenger side. Then I can bleed the brakes.

Each corner now has new brake wheel cylinders.

I had to re-use the old brake shoes because the complete brake kit that I bought the week before I picked Teddy up from its previous owners were the wrong size. I just thought the brake wheel cylinders were the wrong fit - it included the shoes as well. Luckily for me I do have a six cylinder 2.6 petrol 109 ute that the the "kit" does fit so it only cost me time and inconvenience.

The wrong parts left Teddy on front axles stands while I waited for a set of TRM OEM brake wheel cylinders to arrive from England. All the front was sorted out on Saturday. This meant that there were four wheels on the ground overnight. The back wheels went up on axle stands this morning. By the afternoon new rear brake cylinders were fitted and four wheels were back on the ground again.

After working on the brakes I can see how Gavin only uses vice grips to take the shoes off. Once the right place is found and the correct leverage applied I was using vice grips to do the job too.

I am still waiting for the Series 2-3 glow plug ballast resistor to arrive. Who knows by next Sunday I could be driving Teddy around the paddock and be able to stop whenever I want.

After that will be delving into the electrical circuits to find out why none of the brake, tail, headlight and parking lights work.

Oh I will be ordering new shoes shortly. At least the bulk of the work is finished with the wheel cylinders being installed.

Kind regards
Lionel

Hello All,

Well I took the Shortie for a drive in the paddock today. I had put in the Land Rover Series glow plug ballast resistor and unfortunately the Toyota engine did not cooperate with it. The resistor definitely worked however it must not be supplying the voltage of 8.5 that the glow plugs need. Anyway, nothing was lost in the scheme of things except time as I now have a spare glow plug resistor for my 2.25 litre diesel Series 3.

So after the experiment I was left with a fully charged battery. I just kept cranking the engine over until it reached operating temperature. It then sprang to life.

As the next step towards coming to a glow circuit solution: I have tracked down a Queensland supplier of older Toyota engine parts so I will soon have a Toyota Glow Plug Relay and Glow plug controller on the way. Possibly a Toyota starter relay too. Not sure if I need to get a Toyota ignition switch or whether I can source the correct feed wires off the Land Rover ignition?

Hopefully with the genuine article the engine will be much more well behaved when it comes to starting.

I joined a Toyota forum and I was able to source full ignition and "glow" circuits which identifies all the parts. The big issue is that since the engine was made in August 1979 lots of parts are superseded. It took a while to track down the current parts numbers. I will let everyone know how things work out with the new Toyota glow plug circuit parts are installed. I am waiting for some advice from the parts supplier before I place the order. Then it will be interesting to see how quickly parts from Toowoomba take to get to Bundaberg.

The battery is on charge for tomorrow when I cold start the shortie up and drive it into the shed. I just need to put it back on axle stands; rejoin one steel brake pipe and then bleed the brake system.

Gee with the Toyota diesel and the Range Rover High speed differentials the shortie is fast even in second gear. I will be much more comfortable when I can put my foot on the brake pedal after tomorrow and have some brakes to slow down and come to a stop with!

To close - I got the engine started; I went for a blat in the paddock and I thoroughly enjoyed myself. It reminded me of why we slog away with the Series vehicles. They pay us back for the effort we spend on them.

Kind regards
Lionel

Hello All,

After attempting to find a supplier for a specific part - the glow plug controller for the Toyota B1 Series diesel - my placing orders and then receiving "cannot supply" notices; I figure there is a bigger picture involved. The picture involves philosophies held by the manufacturers.

In one corner we have the Land Rover Series from 1948 to the 1984 where there were different "Series" from 1 - 2 - 2A - 3 and Series 3 Stage 1. The Meccano principle applied where there was a high degree of interchangeability between Series. Whereas, Toyota diesel engines from 1974-1980 seem to follow the philosophy of specificity and built-in obsolescence.

I have been in contact with a Toyota guru who luckily used to own a Series 2A Land Rover. I was recommended to buy a Series 1 push button ignition switch to use with the Toyota glow plug controllers. I was able to have a Series 1 ignition switch ordered and on its way to me within 10 minutes of starting to browse online. Meanwhile - with the Toyota part ... after posting requests on different glow plug controller suppliers sites I have to wait three days from making the initial request, only to be informed that the part is "no longer available". Fortunately, I might have managed to track down a second-hand one.

However, because I hold out some hope in being able to secure a brand new part - I wait for two more days for the reply from another Toyota supplier.

Have you ever had the feeling you are battling against unseen forces - ones that are the result in a difference of philosophies!

Anyone got either Toyota Part Number 28550-46021 or 28550-57010 tucked away in a draw that you no longer want to hang on to? The Land Rover ballast resistor PRC1716 unfortunately does not suit the Toyota glow plug system.

I wish to return to Land Rover Land... Today I am delving into the mysteries of what sort of parts have been installed in my non-hybrid, Land Rover ambulance .... what Series part is lurking under this part of the 2A skin? ..."there is no place like home".... there is no ...


Kind regards
Lionel

Have you been to a tractor parts place.

Kubota glow plug electrics should work just fine with your B series , or a LR Diesel for that matter.

However instead of replacing my faulty Kubota glow plug relay I just used a Starter solenoid & held a push button in for 30 seconds . As suggested a Series 1 starter switch would also work just fine.

Lionel,

My Isuzu C240 uses the Land Rover glow plug resistor, I'll have to check what voltage the glow plugs are. About 8-10 seconds and she starts easily even on cold mornings.

Are your glow plugs still working ?

Colin

Originally Posted by gromit

Lionel,

My Isuzu C240 uses the Land Rover glow plug resistor, I'll have to check what voltage the glow plugs are. About 8-10 seconds and she starts easily even on cold mornings.

Are your glow plugs still working ?

Colin

Hello Colin,

Thank you for the details about the Isuzu being compatible with the Series glow plug resistor - part number PRC1716.

You did mention it previously in my other thread about Glow Relays and Starter Relays (Starter Solenoid or Glow Plug Relay are they different?). So I went looking on my spare parts vehicles and found one.

Unfortunately the same convenience between Isuzu and Land Rover working on the glow plugs does not carry across to Toyota.

Also, yes the glow plugs are brand new. Once I manage to track down the proper Toyota glow plug controller I will test the new ones - well they are a couple of weeks old now. If I have to I will get a new batch - once the proper glow plug relay from Toyota comes along......

Kind regards
Lionel

Hello All,

While checking something else on the shortie I glanced down at the driver's side rear wheel. I noticed a stream of fluid on the rim. Having a couple of male dogs I did a cautious test - only to find out that it was brake fluid. I fitted new set of OEM brake wheel cylinders last weekend - flushed the system and adjusted the brakes.

Nothing like taking a step forward and one backwards.

Oh well that was the only wheel which had a dicky brake snail. It turned the nut however it would not adjust the snail cam.

I have a new set of brake shoes on order so I have to access the drums anyway. Still it would have been nice not to have to touch a brand new brake cylinder.

P.S. I now have a set of snail brake adjusters on their way too.

Kind regards
Lionel

Hello All,

I had a delivery in the post this morning - the missing part, a genuine Toyota Glow Plug controller. I had to get one from New Zealand. A spare is on its way from the United Kingdom. Coupled with a Series I Land Rover Starter Button I may have a responsive glow plug system this weekend! Fingers crossed.

Interestingly, the Series 1 Land Rover starter button came from the UK, it was confirmed being available on the first instance and had no trouble being posted to Queensland. With other attempts at securing the Toyota part I had to place and order - pay for it in advance. Then wait three days for the supplier to let me know that the part was not available. This was accompanied for a wait for the money to be refunded. This process happened with multiple suppliers.

Just shows up the difference in philosophies between Toyota: built in obsolescence; and Land Rover Series making parts interchangeable and keeping their supply available.

Thank you Tom in New Zealand for selling me your long stored up spare Toyota parts. Tom by the way used to own a Series 2A shortie before going over to the BJ40 Land Cruiser. Tom is very active on diesel Land Cruiser forums and it was Tom's suggestion to use the Land Rover starter button.

Is it Saturday yet?

Kind regards
Lionel