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    Driving on Sand

    Hi All

    This is my First post here so please be gentle on me...

    I have had my P38A for 8 months now and other than the gear box dying on me not much else has gone wrong! I love the car and look forward to many more Kms in her.

    My Question is that although great on the trails (I embarrassed a couple of Nissan Patrols on the Powerlines track, and had road tyres on) when it comes to sand and the beach the P38A traction control seems to let me down taking away the power to the wheels. I seem to be getting bogged regularly.

    Is there an easy way to switch off the traction control?

    What tyres do you recommend, I am going get rid of the 18" rims and replace them with 16" I have heard that the Pirelli Scorpion ATR are a good tyre. What do you all think?

    P.S. I am a noob so I may not understand some abbreviations

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    G'day and welcome!

    I've found mine to be a legend on sand, often pulling others out!

    A few things to remember, tyre pressure is everything on sand. Low is good! The 18" tyres probably not helping much but should still be fine if you let them down. Driving technique also comes into play. If your Rangie begins to dig, I've found that backing off and varying the revs between 1200 and 1700 it'll find traction! More than 2000rpm when she's sinking and it starts to dig quite a bit! I run 20psi on river sand and 15psi on beach sand.

    It is not possible to switch off the traction control sadly.

    I can't comment on all terrains, I run BFG KM2's on my P38.

    Happy 4wding mate!

    Keithy

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    Hi Keithy.

    I have driven on sand in the past, at both Stockton Beach here in NSW and also Fraser Island but not in the P38.

    Have you had any problems with traction control over heating on sand? I have never had traction control overheat but there are stories so its made me a little paranoid for sand driving. Rock and mud, well you'd have to be powering on well to overheat in those environments.

    I also have KM2's but was ready to buy a 2nd set of rims and put the highway terrains back on for sand. But you find the KM2's OK on sand by the sound of it. Was worried even with airing down that they would still dig holes.

    Cheers,Peter.

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    I tend to think if the TC is causing problems (or generally even engaging if you're not going too silly) then your tyre pressures are too high. I find the TC helps in sand at times, especially on potholed tracks, but I cant think of where it hinders when the tyre pressures are right for that sand.
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    TC should not be the problem.

    Low tyre pressures,around 18 to 20 PSI,with 16's,lots of momentum in the soft stuff,try and limit wheel spin if possible.

    I did heaps of D2 driving in all types of sand,never had any problems,TC was never an issue.

    Experience is also helpful,keep trying & you will learn more.

    Make sure CDL is in if you have it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by scarry View Post
    TC should not be the problem.

    Low tyre pressures,around 18 to 20 PSI,with 16's,lots of momentum in the soft stuff,try and limit wheel spin if possible.
    X2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scarry View Post
    Low tyre pressures,around 18 to 20 PSI,with 16's,lots of momentum in the soft stuff,try and limit wheel spin if possible.
    Dont be afraid to go lower with 16" rims. You'll still be very happy down to about 14psi. When I'm running Simex I run them down to 10.5psi. I've not had dramas with these pressures in the ruts of Fraser Island, or the softest of sand at Stockton beach. The Land Rover 16" rims are very good at bead retention with the one exception that I know of, and thats when running the BFG AT tyre for some reason.
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    Inthezone,
    I too got briefly stuck in the really soft "fluffy" sand up at Lancelin a few weeks back. I had only planned on spendin 30-45 minutes or so before lunch in the dunes and along a couple of tracks showing a couple of Dutch relatives around. I had 18" wheels with scorpion Zero road tyres on, tread is at its minimum but more importantly I had 45psi all round. The sane as your experience TC kicked in and you feel like the sand has sapped all the cars power. Simple solution, drop the tyre pressure. I dropped back to around 20 psi, cleared the sand from directly in front of the wheels and drove off. I normally have maxxis bighorns 265/75/16 when heading off road and run them at 15 psi, they bag up well and haven't had any problems to date. They are also easier on the pocket than km2's and the pirelli's. the main drawback, they are pretty noisy on the bitumen so you need to turn up the sound system .
    Gary

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slunnie View Post
    I tend to think if the TC is causing problems (or generally even engaging if you're not going too silly) then your tyre pressures are too high. I find the TC helps in sand at times, especially on potholed tracks, but I cant think of where it hinders when the tyre pressures are right for that sand.
    I fully agree with the above. I use 14psi in the tyres on soft beach sand and with the added footprint of the tyres you shouldn't have many issues in soft sand - provided you drive it according to the conditions. There are a number of good videos on Youtube that are a good introduction to sand driving.

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    Not too much to add here except be carefull when lowering tyre pressures with your 18 inch wheels, the low profile doesn't like it when going below 20 pounds, as its not designed for such low pressure and you can easily pinch the sidewalls of the tyre up agains your rim destroying the tyre completely if you happen to hit a burried log, rock or even a firm mount of sand. Not to mention getting sand wedged in between the rim and beads causing air to escape. If I were you, I'd ditch the 18 inch rims in favour for the 16" along with a good set of all terrains. AT's have a much stronger tyre sidewall construction, and are less likely to puncture from twigs and stuff burried in the sand. Plus they handle the lower pressure of around 14 PSI without too many issues and bag out better to float over the sand, rather that plowing through it. You probably would have already noticed your 18" don't bag out anywhere near as much due to the lesser tyre wall. 18" rims are really mostly for highway comfort and nothing more. I'm getting rid of mine as I do a fair amount of four wheel driving, therefor have no need for the 18" rims. And AT's give you an good balance of both. Off-course I do have my mud terrain as well for the serious stuff.

    Hope this helps.

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