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    Quote Originally Posted by rick130 View Post
    No motor will survive a runaway like that.
    I'll let you know what I find when I get into my 4BD1T. Head gasket is leaking (it blows bubbles in coolant) and it smokes at idle (suspected stretched ring lands).
    It might not have ingested the oil as quickly, but it did ingest more. Luckily each runaway only lasted for around 20 seconds and it appeared to be self-limiting in rpm.

    Quote Originally Posted by rick130 View Post
    IMO, the 2.8 should be a much better/stronger engine than the Tdi it was based on, MWM redesigned the cockups out of it and still use the basic block architecture on a common rail 3.0l engine, and for all the grief I've given the Tdi's on here over the years there are plenty still plugging away giving sterling service, including mine which is running a tune that really should kill it.
    Does the 2.8 have any bottom end improvements over the 200/300tdi?

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    DP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dougal View Post
    I'll let you know what I find when I get into my 4BD1T. Head gasket is leaking (it blows bubbles in coolant) and it smokes at idle (suspected stretched ring lands).
    It might not have ingested the oil as quickly, but it did ingest more. Luckily each runaway only lasted for around 20 seconds and it appeared to be self-limiting in rpm.
    Poor Serg's ran for ages too until it melted a piston and seized

    The second problem 10,000km down the track seems a little odd to me.
    I've never heard of the deck 'settling' in service like that as the machinist claimed, but I'm not an authority either.


    Does the 2.8 have any bottom end improvements over the 200/300tdi?
    Forged vs cast crank, better rod design and cap retention (split/cracked caps vs traditional machined caps, better bolts) and supposedly slightly reinforced block with better coolant flow, but not sure what's been done there.

    From a timing/cam drive POV the pulleys are cast and machined, not pressed tin and the belt is strengthened/reinforced, but everyone just uses the Tdi one as it doesn't seem to exist in the Dayco system outside Sth America.

    Pistons use a different chamber, etc but don't know if there's anything structurally different than the German Kolbenschmidt pistons of the Tdi.

    Santiago from Argentina (SG1 on here) ditched his (modified?) TD5 for an HS2.8 and hasn't looked back.

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    Serg overfilled the crankcase with oil and it ran on, how can you assertion it's a crap engine from that, Dougal?

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    I still think iload engine and auto would make a reasonable conversion

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    We had a 300tdi defender do a runaway on a trip. He went up that sandune like a 350 chev on go go juice!!!

    Fortunately for him he knew what it was doing and jamed on the anchors near the top and stalled it in gear. Drove it home without the turbo.

    I do respect what your saying about the Nissan 3 litre. But surely if it was only a tuning issue Nissan would have flashed uprated fuel maps at regular service intervals - or am I missing something.

    From my talkings it's an issue with the oil 'sprayers'? Cooling the underside of the cylinder head.

    Have to admit I've looked up a bit on the tgv, quite impressive actually. If I had a defender thats the motor I'd like. As for the hse, I have to admit the power puts a smile on my dial

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    Quote Originally Posted by benji View Post
    I do respect what your saying about the Nissan 3 litre. But surely if it was only a tuning issue Nissan would have flashed uprated fuel maps at regular service intervals - or am I missing something.
    The vp44 ecu isn't flashable. You need to physically remove and replace chips to alter the tune. Since nissan have never admitted to a problem, why would they offer a fix?

    Piston squirters aren't even needed if egt is kept in check.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rovercare View Post
    Serg overfilled the crankcase with oil and it ran on, how can you assertion it's a crap engine from that, Dougal?
    ..?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dougal View Post
    The vp44 ecu isn't flashable. You need to physically remove and replace chips to alter the tune. Since nissan have never admitted to a problem, why would they offer a fix?

    Piston squirters aren't even needed if egt is kept in check.
    Thanks for that, not real good on nissans part though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dougal View Post
    Here is Serge (Uninformed)'s tragic tale: http://www.aulro.com/afvb/technical-...death-oil.html
    I admit I am a bit confused, what happened to this engine is terrible and I really feel for the poor guy it happened to, but over filling the oil by 35% and then driving off without realising (it happens to us all, just usually it's little things we get away with), is not the engines fault, to use this to prove the tgv is unreliable is nonsense, and then to suggest the ZD30 is a better option is just wrong.

    I think we may just have to agree to disagree on this, as I have said, my disco has a tgv engine, been in there since 2002 and has done 200k, I have owned it just over a year and am very happy with it, that's in standard tune, I hear they are happy to be tweaked like a 300tdi without affecting reliability.

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