All p38 owners up to mid 1999 please read.

**dobbo** · 15th May 2008, 02:38 PM

So what do DOTARS say about this failure? Surely with the amount of P38's sold in Australia it would warrent some form of investigation, even a minor one.

**HSE30** · 15th May 2008, 04:35 PM

Originally Posted by dobbo

So what do DOTARS say about this failure? Surely with the amount of P38's sold in Australia it would warrent some form of investigation, even a minor one.

Unfortunately when I first started to investigate this issue both manufactures wanted nothing to do with it, I was told by a transport official that vehicles over 10 years of age fall into a very grey area. And that action is better taken by the private sector.
Once again until people start getting injured or worse, and it can be attributed to a certain failure within the vehicle nothing will be done. Even then it can still be called wear and tear by the industry.
I have spoken to a lawyer who laughed and said best of luck taking on a vehicle manufacturer.

Regards Russell.

**p38arover** · 15th May 2008, 05:23 PM

Russell, can you post the pics of the broken parts (the ones you posted on teh Rangerovers.net forum)?

**HSE30** · 15th May 2008, 09:10 PM

Originally Posted by p38arover

Russell, can you post the pics of the broken parts (the ones you posted on teh Rangerovers.net forum)?

No worries Ron, I'll get it up tomorrow. Might need some help though, I haven't posted pics on this site

Regards Russell.

**p38arover** · 15th May 2008, 09:41 PM

You have more options on this site. If you use the Insert Image button above, you can insert the URL of the web location where you have stored the images, e.g. photobucket. Or you can use the Manage Attachments button below the message posting pane to upload pics from your own PC.

**HSE30** · 16th May 2008, 07:43 AM

Maybe this one will work???

Ahhhhh there it is, the smashed black pieces are the failing plastic components within the modulator. This particular unit also suffered a bent shaft and smashed low hydraulic piston. If the units are left to failing point the damage can render the unit too damaged to repair. The emphasis is on getting to it before complete brake failure. Once again this plastic component is in every unit from MY95 to MY mid 99. Hope this clears up some head scratching.

Regards Russell.

**p38arover** · 16th May 2008, 08:58 AM

I've copied this from the RRNet forum:

Originally Posted by HSE

Ok, the part on the left is the failed component.On the right is one that I have fixed.You'll notice that the left hand component has the smashed plastic component in the back ground.

This shot is of the stainless steel replacement parts, above them is the original plastic part. I only have one or the originals in one piece.

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The complete shaft and spring setup is part of the hydraulic section of the modulator and this component give the feel on the pedal, along with hydraulic pressure.

**HSE30** · 16th May 2008, 10:39 AM

Originally Posted by p38arover

I've copied this from the RRNet forum:

Ahhhhh yep, forgot which ones I had posted. The photo that I have posted first shows more detail of the damage that can be caused when these plastic locating washers let go. Russell.

**adm333** · 16th May 2008, 12:11 PM

Hi Russell

It appears that there would be significant dismantling of the brake system in order to complete this replacement process.

Have you supplied this componenet to anyone who has had their mechanic install it ? Did they endorse the need to do it ?

I can see the benefit of changing it, and you are certainly pricing it reasonably - I just tend to steer away from doing brake maintenance myself (for obvious reasons) and this one looks pretty major.

Even bleeding the brakes is something I avoid if possible and I am assuming it would be required as part of the procedure.

Ron - have you done this ?

Dave

**HSE30** · 18th May 2008, 09:11 AM

Originally Posted by adm333

Hi Russell

It appears that there would be significant dismantling of the brake system in order to complete this replacement process.

Have you supplied this componenet to anyone who has had their mechanic install it ? Did they endorse the need to do it ?

I can see the benefit of changing it, and you are certainly pricing it reasonably - I just tend to steer away from doing brake maintenance myself (for obvious reasons) and this one looks pretty major.

Even bleeding the brakes is something I avoid if possible and I am assuming it would be required as part of the procedure.

Ron - have you done this ?

Dave

Hello Dave, it isn't a five minute job. I have repaired some fifteen cars now and it takes me about ten hours from start to finish. You will need a resonable mechanical ability to do the repair. having said that the instructional cd is very detailed with 50 photo's to walk you through, and I do back up with online or phone tech help if needed.
A fellow in the states has given my cd to his BMW mechanic who was full of praise on the quality of the product as well as the necessity of the repair.
A fellow in the UK is doing the repair as I speak and will be posting his results and findings shortly, on another forum RR.net.
The bleeding and flushing of the system is a critical part of the repair ensuring every last drop of old fluid is out of the system.
The emphasis here is to repair before failure. Once the modulator has failed there is a rick of more damage internally which can render the unit usless.
The repair being done now in the UK is a great case of just in time. The unit had no or little symptoms but once stripped down the owner found the plastic locating washers very brittle and one had a crack through it. So lucky for this owner who has everted full brake loss. Hope this helps.

Regards Russell.

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