ForumSage
I appreciate the help guys. But to clear a few things up:
Whilst Rivnut and Nut-sert are names that get used for the same thing they are not. Similar yes, same no.
I can source the tooling locally, within Oz or OS.
The tooling is not the problem. I can get cheap hand tools, expensive hand tools, cheap air/elec tools or expensive air/elec tools
It is the supply of the insert that is key. No good spending $$$ on tooling if all I can get is crap inserts.
For example, I went to my local industrial fastener supplier today, all they have is nutsert style inserts. They can not tell me the brand or origin of manufacture.
Im happy to spend a little more on tooling if I can by quality inserts.
The reason Im being fusy is the nutsert in the LR outrigger that just spun and fell out when removing a bolt is kind of frustrating. I do not want to repeat that with crap inserts.
TopicToaster
rivnut, nutsert, hexnut, plusnut are all just registered trade names for thin sheet fasteners. They are not always directly interchangeable but are thin sheet fasteners. With the appropriate preparation of the hole in the sheet and the correct installation they will hold within the specific ratings. I shall now cease and desist
Originally Posted by benji
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Maybe we're expecting too much out of what really is a smallish motor allready pushing 2 tonnes. Just because it's a v8 doesn't mean it's powerfull.
One answer REV IT BABY REV IT!!!
ForumSage
Im sorry that doing research and getting past the usual thin top layer has lead me to more questions.
Yes they are trade names, but seems everyone just calls them nutserts, rivnuts or rivet nuts when they are talking about 1 particular insert, and those more often than not being nutsert type, of cheap manufacture. Im yet to find real Rivnuts here on the GC.
When someone like Carrol Smith says something im happy to listen. Going by the technical drawings he added, there is a difference in the way the 2 different types seat. I have also seen a Rivnut with a little rib on the side of it that locates in a cut out in side of hole that stops rotation...
While "Lobster" pretty good quality, their range limited in the manual tools and what nutserts it will pull in the normal size.(M5 max in steel). Unless I step up to the big one:
Hand Nutter
But when the normal "Lobster" nutsert tool in kit is $250, I hesitate to think what the big one is. At that money I can get hyd or air online from OS.
That page you linked looks to have some nice "Lobster" riverters (not nutsert pullers), yet one unkown "Nutsert" tool. That still doesnt solve the issue of insert quality.
Fossicker
Have you tried Ovesco?
ForumSage
No I had not, just about the only one. Look good, but could be spendy...
RoverLord
they all have their advantages and usually you pick the one that is best for the job you want it to do..(as in what you are mounting it into)
roughly
The ribbed side ones tend to be crappy at holding in thin sheet but are excelent in 2-3mm stuff.
the smooth side ones are great in thin sheet (when set properly) but more prone to spinning in thicker sheet
they're all better than speed nuts, speed clips, and clip nuts.
Dave
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ForumSage
here is an interesting web site:
800-236-3200 Rivnut Fasteners & Bollhoff Installation Tools, Puller EZ & Custom Rivnuts - Blind Fasteners & Inserts - Bollhoff
TopicToaster
Yes I had a look around that one.
All the best.
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Maybe we're expecting too much out of what really is a smallish motor allready pushing 2 tonnes. Just because it's a v8 doesn't mean it's powerfull.
One answer REV IT BABY REV IT!!!
If you are still looking check out Aerobolt, they are in Sydney but seem to have a good range of (threaded inserts) with appropriate explanations. Good luck.
Greg
Master
I bought one of those guns about 2 years ago, and have put in more than 300 rivnets ranging from 4mm to 12mm. It works great, and much better than the large manual one which snapped when trying to put in a 12mm rivnut. You have to dial down the air pressure when using aluminium or small rivnuts or it will strip them. I also bought their pop rivet gun, great for the 4.8mm s/steel rivets
I get my rivnuts from these guys:
Fasteners Galore items - Get great deals on M6, M8 items on eBay Stores!
Prices are good, and they seem pretty good quality.
You have to choose the rivnuts/nutsert properly like Dave said, get the right ones for thin sheet metal and the right ones for thicker stuff. You also have to drill the right size hole for each particular nutsert - don't go too big or it will spin out. I use an anti-size paste on each of the bolts i put into the nutsert, as if they bind/sieze up, you will spin them and have a hell of a job getting in off. Be careful with stainless steel ones, as they can gall up using an air tool or electric drive to put the bolts in without a proper anti-sieze and then spin the nutsert.
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