Thread: Tigerz11 12,000 vs Warn High-mount on D2

Well, I'll be selling off the warn due to being much better financially off afterwards.

As I said, I need a new tail shaft, shocks (so brake lines, ABS extensions), (hopefully) get yorkies centre muffler fitted.

Having looked at quite a variety of motors, and speaking to the specialists. I could get the same speed from any HP rating. It depends on it's RPM rating, also to a degree on the load but they showed me a few different motors. Anyone jump in to disparage this but the motor I have, the armature is flat copper wound, not wire wound and while only 2.6HP, 2500RPM (according to the plate, it's a Presalite motor) the flat winding will maintain a higher speed under load longer than a wire wound (the downside is it can't be rewound).

Obviously the hight HP motors will pull that same speed, under the same load, the difference apparently being the current draw.

So if anyone wants (or knows of someone) a Hi-mount that's been reco'd with all new bushes, bearings and motor with new splined (not the old keyed) input gear, wire cable...

But the consensus is, if you don't have a winch and come across a cheap hi mount (or other warn) go for it. But otherwise one of the better winches in the middle price range is the way to go.

Top stuff mate and good luck with it

Originally Posted by LowRanger

You state that you disregard the Ramsay because the thread was regarding the Himount v's the "Chinese" low mount,but then in your next statement say that you believe it to be the same regards all low mounts???
And again,you are grouping all "Chinese" winches in together.Like most things,there are high end and low end products on the market,so you can't assume that just because they come from China that they are all low quality.

As far as being pedantic regarding my use of 8272 when in I am well aware of the identification of the product,all I can offer is that I typed that after no sleep for 20Hrs,now how do you spell believe and design??

As far as being the "Rolls Royce" of winches is concerned,maybe that is why people tend to look through rose coloured glasses at them,they don't see them being taken away and rebuilt,just like a "Rolls".

I have said nothing about the performance of the M8274 except that you can't compare an 8,000lb winch to a 12,000lb winch,especially when you can purchase a 12,000lb winch,with full warranty for less than the cost of a second hand M8274 which could be of unknown quality!!!

And as far as facts go,I have owned 2 M8274's and had them fail before you were born!!!
M8274's actually have a faster line recovery speed in standard form than most lowmounts,contrary to what you stated above.

The M8274's are a great winch,for what they are ie an 8,000lb winch,and compare more than favourably to most 9,000-9500lb winches.But here it was being compared to a 12,000lb winch.

Have a look around at some of the other forums and you will see that a lot of the comp. guys are buying up most of the M8274's that come on the market,and by pure supply and demand,that drives the price up.

My answers to Justin's original question,is certainly my own thoughts on the matter,taking into account the fact that the Low mount is already fitted,also the fact of the modifications required to fit the Hi Mount,and also taking into consideration the possible implications of overheating caused by disrupting the airflow through the radiator.Which can be a problem with V8 Rangies /Disco's etc.

Wayne

Yes, faster line recovery, once loaded they are just as slow

The price difference new, is existant world over, compared to low mounts, chinese low mounts are pushing the price of second hand low mounts down

I think I understand about the rebuilding of the high mount, as mine has a 6hp motor, widened and free spooled drum

Simple facts are, I've seen 3 lots of chinese winch's destroy their innards and 2 winch themselves in....by themselves, one remote, one control operation where the solenoids stuck, 2 of them "high end" for chinese winches

Your "facts" are just your personal experience, as are mine, you have nothing for the table in writing....just as I don't

I don't have a problem with chinese goods, I have chinese 2 post hoist, which does the job well, its a "high end" one.....but hell, if i had a Molnar that needed a motor, I'd be keeping the Molnar

I don't need to look at other forums to see the demand on second hand high mount winches, I've sold 3 in the past few years

But if you had your chinese hoist that was ok, was given a molinar that needed a motor but you needed to modify your garage/power supply/rtc to fit it would you? Or would you fix the molinar and sell it to buy other goodies you need?

As for Facts being only experience. All facts are based on experience. Someone experienced the event to establish the fact.

Originally Posted by clubagreenie

But if you had your chinese hoist that was ok, was given a molinar that needed a motor but you needed to modify your garage/power supply/rtc to fit it would you? Or would you fix the molinar and sell it to buy other goodies you need?

As for Facts being only experience. All facts are based on experience. Someone experienced the event to establish the fact.

Fix the molnar

The chinese hoist does the job, but the molinar will do it better and for longer, but wasn't worth the price difference to buy new

Actually, if a molnar turned up now, I'd probably fit it and keep both

Correct about "facts", I was pulled up to produce some on paper so to speak, when the opposing didn't have anything either

Anyhooow, its your choice, its neither right or wrong, I just merely offered what I'd do in the same situation

Originally Posted by 4x4shooter

Tiger are a good cheap reliable winch perfect for your budget offroader parts are also inexpensive. Warn is an american name brand that isquality backed parts can be expensive depending on what u break personal choice either way you cant go wrong.

Synthetic rope has alot of imatations which fray and brake at tension less then stated trouble with chinese, but the quality rope you want is dyneema rope and will all ways be taged by name plus trade mark. Can be bought threw warn or mean mother which is the new kid in town.

Last point is that mean mother winches are tmax redesigned and engineered to kill warn, I managed to got one from my rep . I pulled it apart to find it the same as warn but modified and improved so keep an eye out as they may get rated and the price jacked up.

Cheers

PS autobarn is a stockist for warn starting november. Woo!!!!

What prices have you been quoted for the Mean Mother?
Which model did you pull apart?

Chilly

The fact remains that all accessories on our cars need to be somehow justified (unless you are profoundly well off I suppose), and in turn your ultimate application would determine what is justified.

I’ve built roads through Central Africa where your actual survival often relies on the winch working every single time you need it. In these applications I’ve used Warn myself and I’ve in fact still got the now 15 year old XD9000i and it’s still going strong. They are not waterproof or dust proof and they need a LOT of TLC to keep working as required. They will however keep working all day long if looked after and I’ve been in situations where I’ve had to do 17 consecutive max line out winches to get through a bad patch during rainy season. This comes at a price, both purchase and maintenance. Will I venture in deepest darkest Africa without a Warn... maybe not, but there are very few actual instances where winches can justify their cost sitting mostly as an ornament on your bulbar!

Around 5 years ago I tried out the “Goldfish” winch from Goodwinch in the UK. This is a British upgraded version of the Chinese “King One” brand. The winch is as waterproof as you’ll ever get a winch to be, in fact the stand at the Land Rover World show actually had one running under water on a permanent basis for the three days of the show (no line on the spool, obviously). I bought a 9500lbs one for around 450.00GBP advertising a line speed of just a fraction below the fastest Warns. I did Trialling and Challenge competitions with this winch for three years with only one solenoid failure for the entire period (which I picked up on my pre completion check at home).

I still love Warn for many reasons, one being the fact that their handheld controls are by a country mile still top of the market. I cannot however slate the Chinese products purely for being Chinese and some of their products are clearly over-engineered to a ridiculous degree! Sitting with a choice of paying a minimum of $2200.00 locally for a Warn I might use 10 times a year or ordering another “Goldfish” upgraded winch from the UK (fitted with Dyneema rope) for half the price, I need to take a serious look at what else can be done with the spare $1000.00!

Originally Posted by Chilly

What prices have you been quoted for the Mean Mother?
Which model did you pull apart?

Chilly

9000lb mean mother compared to warn xd9000 rrp for mm starts about 899 from memory and warn should be around 2grand comparo solenoids basicly same gearing drainage etc have been improved they say they didn't copy and improve on warn but the componentry is just as good. Bottom line mean mother has been designed by an aussie off roader for our inviroment the company even sent the bloke over seas to over see construction and engerneering..

Both warn and mm can be bought threw autobarn and most stores should have a product catalogue in store that give u the full run down .. lastly these guys can be purchased with genuine dyneema rope.

If u want to know anything give me a pm. I will look at it sooner then later

Xoxo haha