Originally Posted by
Islandnomad
This is really getting out of control but anyway I'm just after a suitable recovery point for my car.
To respond:
So one member on here (a knowledgable man) says he doesn't like the horizontal loading - and you'll accept his word. He was/is very convincing, but is currently very quiet on this.
Several engineers, experienced mechanical people and product designer and manufacturers all offer a multitude of reasons why the product you initially enquired about are not suitable and you refuse to accept that?! No one on here displays qualifications, so your left with judging their credibility by what they say, overly dictatorial people like you, don't come across too well .
You then proposed "up scaling" the design to make it work. Fair enough... I'm looking for a solution, the down side is a single bolt install, but with a big enough bolt?.....
The chassis will still fail without adequate reinforcement. Which would exceed the cost of any point, if you could find someone willing to weld a chassis of a SRS equipped vehicle.
And again, the brains trust provided feedback - material not suited, single point mounting, wear hazards, etc etc... All issues that I retorted, my right, looking for reasonable responses but got abuse instead because I dared to question
As I said earlier,you've barely been hassled, let alone abused by comparison to other threads that have gotten out of hand here and certainly nowhere nearing the capacities of my ability. In fact my wife is more scathing of you than I have been. But then I'm a sucker for lost causes.
And still you continued to refuse to take the information on board...I've taken it all on board, I went back to the Jate rings that I wasn't that happy with, worst of a bad bunch. Still no solution...these swivel rings are going to cost me $1000 for sure by the time they've installed, too much for what is, in the end two loops.
The cost will be in mounting them. Which I've shown one solution that will also fit a winch and points without a bar which you've stated you don't want. When i have a price I will post it, there are 3 manufacturers quoting.
You seem overly sensitive at the moment.
Accusing me and others of all sorts of things (appreciate the blog post btw). The sensitive people are those who have been abusive, not me you and Clubgreenie because I DARED to question you.
Question me all you like thats the benefit of a democratic society (which I served to provide) and an equally democratic forum. Again, earlier I stated my own method of enquiry, which is question,reply, analysis and follow up if necessary.
The solution to your problem is the style of point we've all been suggesting, even offered you a different solution using the hooks, there was a suggestion of mounting RUD units. The Philco points are a flawed design. The cost of swivel mounts are probably going to be the cost of a bulbar.
One person says the philco points are flawed, not because they are under engineered but because of the shackle orientation. And you accept this. Now I know who said that and I trust him in these matters (practical experience aside education) and I have altered my own setup because of his advice. But we take the time to run analysis, which btw as opposed to your statement WAS correctly sized, both by analysis of the pic on the screen using the known size of the strap and by going to the garage and measuring a luke harness using the same mount, and you completely disagree with results that you believe are somehow doctored to my favour. Clearly you have some experience in manipulation of FEA data that I dont. All the data is from standards in the CAD program.
Cluba is even costing some recovery eyes up for you at the moment.. After the abuse you've given out - I'm amazed anyone is helping. Cluba is a biased abusive tosser, I don't a word he says.
Thank you. Nicest thing I've been called all year.
We get concerned because we've seen people hurt through improper recovery techniques.. I understand, me too that's why I'm discussing it, but I get called a fool for discussing it, poor behavior mate!
As stated by a mod. There is nowhere you have been called any of the two things you state.
Please don't apologise, an apology should be sincere and I don't believe yours would be. I don't have anything to apologise for, I have been rude to anyone, you have, because I dared question, poor behavior mate!You have more than questioned, you outright went against all advice at every level.
Your comments are always full of sarcasm and jibe remarks (biased one-sided engineering etc). Cluba's engineering results were self serving rubbish, when I questioned them and asked him to rerun them properly he refused.
I did rerun them. With double the material thickness. With very similar results. You even commented that it should be made even larger. Rerunning a test isn't just changing the thickness. You have to completely redraw the part,select material quality and even finishing treatments. Go and do some research on what the same thing would cost you in the real world. Makes a bullbar a cheap proposition.
Wanting to find a solution is one thing, refusing to accept the imparted knowledge of experienced people is different..This is the real issue isn't it...someone has questioned Tombie's opinion, well mate you owe me an apology for calling me a fool in public. I'm not holding my breath.
Again theres no record in this thread. Existing or deleted where either of your claimed abuses occurred.
Perhaps some time on the boat relaxing would benefit you... Life's to short! I'm retired mate I'm actually pretty chilled. Don't abuse people in public is the moral of this story Tombie!!!!Again. Where did this occur? I am not retired but have the fortune of being selective of what I do. So I have the time to research and examine as well as doing my own engineering and having practical destruction testing performed. Most people who know me would say I'm relaxed to the point of apathy. Except when it comes to areas that affect others. And that's the underlying issue. You're free to do as you choose. But others cannot always be.
