Thread: Are these the best and cheapest Recovery Point ever designed????

Cluba, what's the cost of those eyelets?

Hate to think but I'll find out.

Originally Posted by Islandnomad

Muppet thanks that's exactly what I want but I don't have/want a bullbar.

It's very possible to have a discrete winch mount which will also fit recovery points. Here's a close up of my first setup, behind the plastic.



Made from parallel flange channel, with 6mm sided bolted to the two chassis holes, which were folded under the channel and bolted (4 bolts each side and it sat on the wombat bar to further prevent rotation. Held 12,000lb winch and never moved. Fitted behind original plastic (above was during mfct of 1st tube bar). Now fitted to another members vehicle.

The JATE rings are a NATO device so we never saw them until recently and even then only as a retail product.

Waiting on call back for pricing on rud, beaver & pwb rotating points.

Beaver.
https://www.beaver.com.au/m20-alloy-...00kg-bolt-rlep

PWB.
Swivel Hoist Ring, with alloy steel washer

Heres a thought. The issue with everything is point loading the shackle. If you had a sleeve to fit over the pin,between the body cheeks. That may distribute load better and certainly prevent damage. Of course its fidly fitting etc but theres always a compromise.

Originally Posted by Islandnomad

I was called an arsehole and a fool by the two of you.

Is this how you always behave when people disagree with you, it sounds like it?

Poor behavior in a public forum.

As one of the forum Admins I can see deleted posts and if posts have been edited.

I cannot see any post where you have been called that. If you had been, you should have reported it immediately and the Moderators would have dealt with it. Having now read all the thread, what I can see is the other forum members being frustrated by your refusal to accept their replies, all of which are based upon experience and engineering knowledge. It also appears that the manufacturers of the system you liked have taken clubagreenie's engineering analysis seriously.

When I first joined AULRO I researched the site and elsewhere as I was after a set of recovery points for my D2.


I thought I'd researched well and decided to buy some Philco points. It took some time for Philco to respond through here, a couple of weeks. During that waiting time my discussions continued on here, I even started a thread about it. I was convinced by a very senior member on here that "Don't use recovery points that orientate the shackle pins in the horizontal plane as the shackles will become the weakest point if they are not pulled on from directly ahead, shackles aren't designed to be pulled off centre". I agreed with this member, the Philco points and others are a flawed design for this reason. Philco contacted me eventually, I discussed this with him and he blew me off, he certainly didn't offer to give me free points then. I cancelled the order.


I am still looking for a recovery point for my bullbarless D2. The strap seemed like a good idea, strong, flexible, no orientation issues, less damaging, more flexible install. If its not strong enough, it could be if its size were increased.


I have put this up for discussion, I have been accused of wanting to kill, bystanders, been called an arsehole and a fool for wanting to find a solution to my problem. Well I don't apologise I haven't been rude to anyone, I do question biased one-sided engineering results by some on here tho.

Vehicles and their poorly designed recovery points are soon parted.... I'd rather trust an engineer (or a very experienced 4WDer) than some random internet dude.

So one member on here (a knowledgable man) says he doesn't like the horizontal loading - and you'll accept his word.

Several engineers, experienced mechanical people and product designer and manufacturers all offer a multitude of reasons why the product you initially enquired about are not suitable and you refuse to accept that?!

You then proposed "up scaling" the design to make it work. Fair enough...

And again, the brains trust provided feedback - material not suited, single point mounting, wear hazards, etc etc...

And still you continued to refuse to take the information on board...

You seem overly sensitive at the moment.
Accusing me and others of all sorts of things (appreciate the blog post btw).

The solution to your problem is the style of point we've all been suggesting, even offered you a different solution using the hooks, there was a suggestion of mounting RUD units.

Cluba is even costing some recovery eyes up for you at the moment.. After the abuse you've given out - I'm amazed anyone is helping.

We get concerned because we've seen people hurt through improper recovery techniques..

Please don't apologise, an apology should be sincere and I don't believe yours would be.
Your comments are always full of sarcasm and jibe remarks (biased one-sided engineering etc).

Wanting to find a solution is one thing, refusing to accept the imparted knowledge of experienced people is different..


Perhaps some time on the boat relaxing would benefit you... Life's to short!

Just to add some food for thought...

There are several Rigger/Dogger ticket holders in this forum...

Some have given you advice and opinion. Remember that lifting vs recovering are different yet similar...

This is really getting out of control but anyway I'm just after a suitable recovery point for my car.


To respond:
So one member on here (a knowledgable man) says he doesn't like the horizontal loading - and you'll accept his word. He was/is very convincing, but is currently very quiet on this.

Several engineers, experienced mechanical people and product designer and manufacturers all offer a multitude of reasons why the product you initially enquired about are not suitable and you refuse to accept that?! No one on here displays qualifications, so your left with judging their credibility by what they say, overly dictatorial people like you, don't come across too well .

You then proposed "up scaling" the design to make it work. Fair enough... I'm looking for a solution, the down side is a single bolt install, but with a big enough bolt?.....

And again, the brains trust provided feedback - material not suited, single point mounting, wear hazards, etc etc... All issues that I retorted, my right, looking for reasonable responses but got abuse instead because I dared to question

And still you continued to refuse to take the information on board...I've taken it all on board, I went back to the Jate rings that I wasn't that happy with, worst of a bad bunch. Still no solution...these swivel rings are going to cost me $1000 for sure by the time they've installed, too much for what is, in the end two loops.

You seem overly sensitive at the moment.
Accusing me and others of all sorts of things (appreciate the blog post btw). The sensitive people are those who have been abusive, not me you and Clubgreenie because I DARED to question you.

The solution to your problem is the style of point we've all been suggesting, even offered you a different solution using the hooks, there was a suggestion of mounting RUD units. The Philco points are a flawed design. The cost of swivel mounts are probably going to be the cost of a bulbar.

Cluba is even costing some recovery eyes up for you at the moment.. After the abuse you've given out - I'm amazed anyone is helping. Cluba is a biased abusive tosser, I don't a word he says.

We get concerned because we've seen people hurt through improper recovery techniques.. I understand, me too that's why I'm discussing it, but I get called a fool for discussing it, poor behavior mate!

Please don't apologise, an apology should be sincere and I don't believe yours would be. I don't have anything to apologise for, I have been rude to anyone, you have, because I dared question, poor behavior mate!
Your comments are always full of sarcasm and jibe remarks (biased one-sided engineering etc). Cluba's engineering results were self serving rubbish, when I questioned them and asked him to rerun them properly he refused.

Wanting to find a solution is one thing, refusing to accept the imparted knowledge of experienced people is different..This is the real issue isn't it...someone has questioned Tombie's opinion, well mate you owe me an apology for calling me a fool in public. I'm not holding my breath.


Perhaps some time on the boat relaxing would benefit you... Life's to short! I'm retired mate I'm actually pretty chilled. Don't abuse people in public is the moral of this story Tombie!!!!