Thread: ID Help please

Originally Posted by dennisS1

We will need a higher adjudicator.
But I am sticking with what is clearly printed in LR manuals it is in the 1955 model that they changed the numbering. The car may have been built in 56.
Dennis

Models ran accross years. August was the company's summer holiday shut down, and after recommencing, out came the next years model.

So it is the other way around. It is numbered a '56, but may have been built in '55. But by the number it is '56 model.
This is what yours is Dennis. It is a '56 model year numbered vehicle, but built in '55. Land Rover generally did the CKD export vehicles first, going by the dispatch records at Gaydon, so with yours being the 88th CKD RHD Export vehicle made it would have been Sept-Oct 1955. Doesn't make it a '55 model though.

For mine, I have the dispatch records, and the Grenville motor records. For example, my 1955 Ex-SMHEA no's 5776 was dispatched out of Grenville Motors to the SMHEA on 5/5/1955.



Reference material.

Technical publication No. TP165A
Part No. 4057
Printed January 1954
Workshop Manual covering 1954
86 Models
Basic Home Vehicle 47100001 Onwards
Basic Vehicle LHD Export 47130001 Onwards
Basic Vehicle RHD Export 47160001 Onwards
CKD LHD Export 47630001 Onwards
CKD RHD Export 47660001 Onwards
107 Models
Basic Home Vehicle 47200001 Onwards
Basic Vehicle LHD Export 47230001 Onwards
Basic Vehicle RHD Export 47260001 Onwards

Supplement No. 1 to TP165A
Printed September 1954
Supplement covering 1955
86 Models
Basic Home Vehicle 57100001 Onwards
Basic Vehicle LHD Export 57130001 Onwards
Basic Vehicle RHD Export 57160001 Onwards
CKD LHD Export 57630001 Onwards
CKD RHD Export 57660001 Onwards
107 Models
Basic Home Vehicle 57200001 Onwards
Basic Vehicle LHD Export 57230001 Onwards
Basic Vehicle RHD Export 57260001 Onwards



Supplement No. 2 to TP165A
Printed June 1956
Supplement Covering 1956/57
86 models
RHD Home 17060001 Onwards
RHD Export 17660001 Onwards
RHD CKD 17760001 Onwards
LHD Export 17360001 Onwards
LHD CKD 17460001 Onwards
88 Models
RHD Home 11160001 Onwards
RHD Export 11260001 Onwards
RHD CKD 11360001 Onwards
LHD Export 11460001 Onwards
LHD CKD 11560001 Onwards
88 Models
RHD Home 11170001 Onwards
RHD Export 11270001 Onwards
RHD CKD 11370001 Onwards
LHD Export 11470001 Onwards
LHD CKD 11570001 Onwards
107 Models
RHD Home 27060001 Onwards
RHD Export 27660001 Onwards
RHD CKD 27760001 Onwards
LHD Export 27360001 Onwards
LHD CKD 27460001 Onwards
109 Models
RHD Home 21160001 Onwards
RHD Export 21260001 Onwards
RHD CKD 21360001 Onwards
LHD Export 21460001 Onwards
LHD CKD 21560001 Onwards
109 Models
RHD Home 21170001 Onwards
RHD Export 21270001 Onwards
RHD CKD 21370001 Onwards
LHD Export 21470001 Onwards
LHD CKD 21570001 Onwards


CC

Originally Posted by dennisS1

Don’t see the confusion, It is a 86" and if you look at a Land Rover service or owner’s manual it will state that the serial number range for 1955 86" start at 57660001 and 177600001. As I posted before my 86" is no177600088 and has the AL front but by your number I have seen several with steel fronts.
All s1 from 54 have the inverted T grill regardless of the number of holes.
Dennis

Hi All
I back Dennis with his information, and AFAIK that year had only the alloy front fitted.
The alloy fronts used to break down the sides, through the bolt holes for fastening the mudgards on and using the stronger steel fronts where a good replacment.
My parts book doesnt give any clue to when the steel fronts started, although I used to look for the single hole panel as a quick way to identify a 88" or 109", I am not sure now if that was entirely correct now.
Cheers Arthur

Originally Posted by Col.Coleman

Models ran accross years. August was the company's summer holiday shut down, and after recommencing, out came the next years model.

So it is the other way around. It is numbered a '56, but may have been built in '55. But by the number it is '56 model.
This is what yours is Dennis. It is a '56 model year numbered vehicle, but built in '55. Land Rover generally did the CKD export vehicles first, going by the dispatch records at Gaydon, so with yours being the 88th CKD RHD Export vehicle made it would have been Sept-Oct 1955. Doesn't make it a '55 model though.

For mine, I have the dispatch records, and the Grenville motor records. For example, my 1955 Ex-SMHEA no's 5776 was dispatched out of Grenville Motors to the SMHEA on 5/5/1955.



Reference material.

Technical publication No. TP165A
Part No. 4057
Printed January 1954
Workshop Manual covering 1954
86 Models
Basic Home Vehicle 47100001 Onwards
Basic Vehicle LHD Export 47130001 Onwards
Basic Vehicle RHD Export 47160001 Onwards
CKD LHD Export 47630001 Onwards
CKD RHD Export 47660001 Onwards
107 Models
Basic Home Vehicle 47200001 Onwards
Basic Vehicle LHD Export 47230001 Onwards
Basic Vehicle RHD Export 47260001 Onwards

Supplement No. 1 to TP165A
Printed September 1954
Supplement covering 1955
86 Models
Basic Home Vehicle 57100001 Onwards
Basic Vehicle LHD Export 57130001 Onwards
Basic Vehicle RHD Export 57160001 Onwards
CKD LHD Export 57630001 Onwards
CKD RHD Export 57660001 Onwards
107 Models
Basic Home Vehicle 57200001 Onwards
Basic Vehicle LHD Export 57230001 Onwards
Basic Vehicle RHD Export 57260001 Onwards



Supplement No. 2 to TP165A
Printed June 1956
Supplement Covering 1956/57
86 models
RHD Home 17060001 Onwards
RHD Export 17660001 Onwards
RHD CKD 17760001 Onwards
LHD Export 17360001 Onwards
LHD CKD 17460001 Onwards
88 Models
RHD Home 11160001 Onwards
RHD Export 11260001 Onwards
RHD CKD 11360001 Onwards
LHD Export 11460001 Onwards
LHD CKD 11560001 Onwards
88 Models
RHD Home 11170001 Onwards
RHD Export 11270001 Onwards
RHD CKD 11370001 Onwards
LHD Export 11470001 Onwards
LHD CKD 11570001 Onwards
107 Models
RHD Home 27060001 Onwards
RHD Export 27660001 Onwards
RHD CKD 27760001 Onwards
LHD Export 27360001 Onwards
LHD CKD 27460001 Onwards
109 Models
RHD Home 21160001 Onwards
RHD Export 21260001 Onwards
RHD CKD 21360001 Onwards
LHD Export 21460001 Onwards
LHD CKD 21560001 Onwards
109 Models
RHD Home 21170001 Onwards
RHD Export 21270001 Onwards
RHD CKD 21370001 Onwards
LHD Export 21470001 Onwards
LHD CKD 21570001 Onwards


CC

Hi CC

Thanks for clearing up the year curiosity, we must remember this activity took place before, the modern technics of manufacturing of ( just in time ) and ( first in first out ) parts order's.
the last item under the pile could have had the first serial number !
according to my workshop manual ( part number 4291 ), 1956 was the year that the 88" and 109" was introduced in England, maybe they were first assembled here in Australia in 1957 and not 1958 as I use to think.

Cheers Arthur

Arthur,

The 88's and 109's were assembled here from the start in 1956.

I have both a 107 and 109 CKD's from the '56 model year. Numpties 88" is a '57 CKD.

Looking at the actual records of what happened gives you a better picture. Anything can happen to a vehicle over 60 odd years. Especially when they were assembled in a hodge podge fashion in the first place. Assembly serial numbers were not sequential. Add to the mix, the vehicles were dissasembled, packed in containers and sent out here to be reassembled.

CC

This is all very interesting.
Even more interesting is that my manual Part no: 4057 clearly states 1955 86' RHD C.K.D commencing 57660001 177600001 and Instruction manual dated August 1955 Part No: 4041 RHD C.K.D commencing 177600001 and workshop manual Part No:4291 RHD C.K.D commencing 57660001 177600001.
It is also interesting that these manuals do not mention a 1956 86" they only have numbers for 88" in 1956.
There may be different versions of the same book but this is what they clearly state can scan pages if interest.
Dennis
PS. We have somewhat got off the track, the serial number that the original question was about is a 86” and in my opinion the front will be original.