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    Early front half shaft.

    Hi all,

    I have a 53 80" that I am fixing swivel seals and the like on. I am changing the swivel ball on one side so need to get the half shaft out and it doesn't want to move. These are early half shafts with a Trakta joint rather than a universal (and isn't that a fascinating joint!). When I did the series 3 with unis the half shaft just pulled out once the hub was off. Are these early ones meant to do the same?

    Also all the online versions of the series 1 manuals I have been able to find seem to be missing a couple of sections, brakes and front axle being the two I really wanted. Are there any complete ones available?

    Thanks,

    TimJ.
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    Poverty - 1958 Series I 88"
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    I'd do it this way.....
    (in bold font so easy to read if printed out!!)

    1. JACK UP VEHICLE -REMOVE ROAD WHEEL AND BRAKE DRUM

    2. DRAIN OIL FROM UNI JOINT HOUSING (REMOVE DRAIN AND FILLER PLUGS)

    3. REMOVE HUB CAP (PRESS FIT ON DRIVING MEMBER)

    4. PLACE DRIP TRAY UNDER HUB AND REMOVE DRIVING MEMBER AND JOINT WASHER FROM THE STUB SHAFT AND THE HUB.

    5. PRISE UP LOCKING TABS AND REMOVE LOCKNUT, LOCK WASHER AND ADJUSTING NUT FROM THE STUB AXLE, REMOVE THE KEYED THRUST WASHER.

    6. REMOVE THE HUB COMPLETE WITH THE INNER AND OUTER ROLLER BEARINGS AND OIL SEAL. WITHDRAW THE OIL SEAL AND BEARING FROM THE HUB IF NECESSARY

    7. REMOVE BRAKE ANCHOR PLATE AND STUB AXLE FROM THE SWIVEL PIN HOUSING, SWING ANCHOR PLATEBACK TO REST ON ROAD SPRING, (THUS OBVIATING NEED TO BLEED BRAKES ON REASSEMBLY! )

    8) REMOVE STUB AXLE (DISCARD IF UNSERVICABLE)

    9) WITHDRAW STUB SHAFT, UNI JOINT AND HALF SHAFT ASSEMBLY FROM THE UNI JOINT ASSEMBLY.

    10) REMOVE THE HALF SHAFT ROLLER BEARING RETAINING COLLAR BY FILING A FLAT ON ITS OUTER DIAMETER. WHEN ITS THICKNESS IS SUFFICIENTLY REDUCED THE COLLAR WILL SPLIT OF ITS OWN ACCORD. CARE MUST BE TAKEN TO AVOID DAMAGE TO THE SHAFT AND ROLLER RACE.

    11) WITHDRAW THE HALF SHAFT ROLLER RACE OUTER MEMBER BY TAPPING THE JOINT FACE OF THE SWIVEL PIN BEARING HOUSING FLANGE WITH A SOFT NOSED HAMMER

    12) GRIP HALF SHAFT IN A SOFT JAWED VICE AND REMOVE RACE INNER MEMBER FROM THE SHAFT BY TAPPING THE CONICAL DISTANCE PIECE FROM INSIDE THE SWIVEL PIN BEARING HOUSING WITH A SUITABLE DRIFT.

    12a) ON AXLES FITTED WITH A PLAIN DISTANCE PIECE, THE RACE IS REMOVED BY TAPPING THE OUTER EDGE OF THE RACE INNER MEMBER, IN SUCH CASES GREAT CARE MUST BE TAKEN TO PREVENT DAMAGE TO THE RACE ITSELF.

    13) REMOVE THE ROLLER RACE INNER MEMBER AND THE RACE AND DISTANCE PIECE. WITHDRAW THE STUB SHAFT, UNI JOINT AND HALF SHAFT ASSEMBLY FROM THE SWIVEL PIN BEARING HOUSING.

    14) REMOVE THE TWO BEARING RACES FROM THE HALF SHAFT YOKE AND PART THE SHAFT FROM THE UNI JOINT


    hope thats of help (thanks drop short!)
    from page F10-12, L/R wk/shp manual 48-58

    if I can help with more I will (but I am NOT retyping this whole book!!... )
    (REMLR 235/MVCA 9) 80" -'49.(RUST), -'50 & '52. (53-parts) 88" -57 s1, -'63 -s2a -GS x 2-"Horrie"-112-769, "Vet"-112-429(-Vietnam-PRE 1ATF '65) ('66, s2a-as UN CIVPOL), Hans '73- s3 109" '56 s1 x2 77- s3 van (gone)& '12- 110

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    Thanks for that Digger.

    However I already have the swivel ball out of the vehicle and on the bench with the half shaft still in it. No 9 on your list seems to be the bit causing problems as the bearing must be seized into it's race even though it appears to have quite a bit of old greasy oil in it. Also it definitely is not a Uni joint, it is the earlier Trakta joint. I wonder if there is a manual for the earlier ones?

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    Poverty - 1958 Series I 88"
    Barney - 1979 S3 GS ex ADF with 300tdi
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    Quote Originally Posted by Timj View Post
    Thanks for that Digger.

    However I already have the swivel ball out of the vehicle and on the bench with the half shaft still in it. No 9 on your list seems to be the bit causing problems as the bearing must be seized into it's race even though it appears to have quite a bit of old greasy oil in it. Also it definitely is not a Uni joint, it is the earlier Trakta joint. I wonder if there is a manual for the earlier ones?

    TimJ.
    Im looking for a camera so I can send this direct as they wrote it!!!
    standby...
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    stretching the memory

    Hi Tim

    I am not sure now about those tracta joints, but I do think that the retaining sleave has to be removed to allow that bearing to come off.

    Two mild steel straps with large nut welded between them at one end then fit a bolt into the nut to push at the end of the half shaft.

    Then with a piece of tin plate to protect the bearing, weld the straps either side of the retainer and then screw the bolt down.

    While everthing is still hot, this will pull the retainer off without too much effort.

    Cheers Arthur

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    (REMLR 235/MVCA 9) 80" -'49.(RUST), -'50 & '52. (53-parts) 88" -57 s1, -'63 -s2a -GS x 2-"Horrie"-112-769, "Vet"-112-429(-Vietnam-PRE 1ATF '65) ('66, s2a-as UN CIVPOL), Hans '73- s3 109" '56 s1 x2 77- s3 van (gone)& '12- 110

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    hows it going?

    Hi Timj

    What the latest on your fix?

    Cheers Arthur

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    Hi Arthur,

    Digger sent me some pages from the manual. Looks like the bearing collar has to be removed to get the half shaft out as you said. I can't remember having to do that with the Series 3 so it may just be the early ones, or of course it could just be my memory failing even more . I will do some more work on it this afternoon and let you know.

    Tim.
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    Clancy - 1978 Series III SWB Game.
    Henry - 1976 S3 Trayback Ute with 186 Holden
    Gumnut - 1953 Series I 80"
    Poverty - 1958 Series I 88"
    Barney - 1979 S3 GS ex ADF with 300tdi
    Arnie - 1975 710M Pinzgauer

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    Well I now know why the half shaft won't come out . The early ones have a ball bearing style bearing rather than a roller bearing and this means the two parts of the bearing don't come apart so the retaining collar has to be taken off to allow the half shaft out.

    At least it wasn't my memory failing .

    TimJ.
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    Clancy - 1978 Series III SWB Game.
    Henry - 1976 S3 Trayback Ute with 186 Holden
    Gumnut - 1953 Series I 80"
    Poverty - 1958 Series I 88"
    Barney - 1979 S3 GS ex ADF with 300tdi
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    Ball bearings

    Hi Timj

    Of couse ! thats it, The ones I fitted into a 86" had ball bearings also.

    The farms old 86" was always getting grit into the swivel housings from wading through churned up sandy water holes in the tracks and wrecking the uni joints.
    So when we obtained new chromed balls housings we installed the earlier 80" tracta joints as well.

    Cheers Arthur

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