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    1600 S1 - Whats the correct engine oil?

    Hi All,

    I recently went to have a look at a restored '49 80" with a view to buying it.

    The car has done about 1700miles since its nut & bolt rebuild.

    However, I did stumble across 1 problem. the car has had Penrite 20w-60 in it whilst it has been run in (for the last 1700miles). Now it is nicely run in the owner put 5w-30 in it so I could drive it home.

    I've read that the Penrite 20w-50 is a suitable alternative and I think 5w-30 should also be ok.

    What engine oil do you guys run with? Would it be a problem if it had to use 20w-60 all the time to hold in the oil?

    The reason I ask...
    When pootling around town the engine holds oil, on the freeway though, after an hour or so of driving at about 50mph it seems to leak oil from the back of the block somewhere. Oil was dripping onto the floor off the cross member forward of the gearbox.

    Their appeared to be no leaks from the rocker cover gasket and the clutch never showed any sign of slipping when all the oil was running out.

    Could this be a worn scroll on the crankshaft or something easier to fix?

    It didn't burn oil and runs and drives so sweet, much sweeter than I expected.

    Any thoughts please, I didn't buy the car in the end and the owner advised it didnt leak when running 20w-60, but I'm left thinking that I may have been a mistake by leaving it behind.

    Thx
    Jon

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    Oil

    I use 20 50 valvoline designated for old engines

    It is not expensive so I guess I can afford to change it more regularly.

    These engines were designed to be robust and suffer poor fuels and long service intervals and use in the worst conditions.

    I feel that as My S1 is older than me I will treat it with respect.

    I am changing lubricants frequently in order to flush old residue as it has sat for an indefinite period prior to me running it.

    The car seems to respond well to periodical use and some good runs including hill work and best speed. (trying to keep up with the traffc)

    Good luck with it.

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    I would have reccomended a 15/40 wt oil.
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    The scroll shouldnt leak unless going up steep hills. And they shouldnt wear as they dont actually rub on anything. That said one of mine had a mod from a PO where they put stuffing box packing in there. That buggered the scroll.
    Might be the rubber seal at the rear of the oil pan. Sometimes these are left off.
    I am using 15/40 in the whole fleet and change the oil more often in the 1600 to avoid mucking with the filter can.
    Keith

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    Oils

    Hi
    Penrite have a 20/50 SAE older engine oil suitable for 1950/60 engines
    I fine it is OK
    cheers
    Ian

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    Thanks guys. Looks like the oil may need to be a bit heavier when hot.

    Decisions, decisions!

    Jon

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    oil

    If a 1600 does not leak oil at the rear of the engine, there is no oil in it.
    The academies screw and slinger are pretty good at keeping most oil in when running but when you shut off the motor a small amount will run out to stop underbody corrosion.
    Dennis

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    Quote Originally Posted by dennisS1 View Post
    If a 1600 does not leak oil at the rear of the engine, there is no oil in it.
    The academies screw and slinger are pretty good at keeping most oil in when running but when you shut off the motor a small amount will run out to stop underbody corrosion.
    Dennis
    Thanks Dennis,
    When I set off the dipstick was right on the full mark... about 3 hours later it was half way between full and low - so plenty of underbody corrosion protection!

    The first picture shows how much oil dripped out after about a minute or two of standing (with engine running) and after about 1hr of back road and then 1hr of freeway driving. Im assuming this is excessive even for a 1600 S1?

    The second picture (close up) shows how much dripeed out after another hour of freeway driving, again stationary with engine running for a minute or two.

    As you may expect, rear axle and inside edge of rear tyres had plenty of oil splatter on them from the oil that had been dripping out along the way!

    As I said before, the pictures show 5w-30 oil running out, the oil the car had been using immediately prior to the oil change was Penrite HPR30 (20W-60) and was for older petrol engines; apparently that didnt leak out...

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    You can rest easy, the grade of oil has nothing to do with the leaks.

    excess quantity is one possibility,
    spirited driving another,
    but most likely seals and so forth,

    however old fashioned engines wern't really good at keeping oil in
    so it may be that it wasn't driven much or the seller cleaned it before you drove it.
    Safe Travels
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    Quote Originally Posted by harry View Post
    You can rest easy, the grade of oil has nothing to do with the leaks.

    excess quantity is one possibility,
    spirited driving another,
    but most likely seals and so forth,

    however old fashioned engines wern't really good at keeping oil in
    so it may be that it wasn't driven much or the seller cleaned it before you drove it.
    After an hour or so of back road driving, then going onto freeway, would 50mph on 650x16's on the freeway be considered spirited? It certainly didn't seem like it was having to work too hard or that it was screaming its do-dahs off.

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