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    Finally rear seats/benches


    As my next job I wanted to restore two benches I got my hands on. The leather attached to the back rest was totally gone. It slides inside a groove, but with all the rust and rot it didn't slide out easily. I made one mistake with the first groove. I started by folding the groove open. Sure, that way you can get to remove the old leather with the rusted spring folded into it. However, you destroy the smooth line. Folding it back into place it will never be the same. So, realising that I used lots of WD40 (in stores since 1958), a thin screwdriver to scrape it all loose and lots of elbow grease. One person holding the frame, the other pulling on the leather and it will come out neatly. If anything is left behind you can scrape it out later, sand it. After taking the seat apart, removing the rivets carefully with a drill, the sanding process. Boy, I should have worn that mask. What I coughed up later was rather dark.
    I gave it all a base of alluminium paint (anti rust) from Bunnings. And then got the spray painter and compressor out (first time I did this myself)
    I was waiting for someone who said he had NOS elephant hide coming (Don't worry, not real elephant skin, just the colour Land Rover used) But there were delays and it was probably going to be expensive. So, when I noticed someone had left their white leather couch on the road for garbage collection I pulled over, got my pocket knive out and stripped it of its skin. I also took the pillows for their filling. The original filling (I still have it) is some type of dried plant material.
    I haven't touched a sewing machine since high school's art classes so don't expect neat seems etc. Using the white leather is just a temporary fix until I find the original stuff matching my front seats.
    Bunnings didn't seem to have the orginal spring which was sewn into the edge. Used with curtains, so should be available elsewhere. This holds the leather into the groove. But a metal wire of about the same diameter did the trick.
    Push/pull it back into the groove. Make sure it fits tightly and doesn't come out easily.
    As you may see, if I did a bit better sowing the corners wouldn't be standing out so much. But hey, not bad for a first time.
    Close one side and start filling from the other side with...
    Now we got all the parts, putting it back together and installing it. As I didn't have the orginal brackets I decided to use some rubber in between as not to damage too much.
    And after all that the result is...
    Comfortable rear seats/benches, finally!

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    How did you get on with VicRoads when you changed the seating capacity of the vehicle ?
    I have a Series III I'm looking at adding rear seating to and was concerned about all the hoops you might have to jump through to get it 'signed off' by VicRoads. Club rego might be easier.

    Years ago when I got my Defender the dealer had added rear seats as part of the deal but VicRoads still only had the seating capacity listed as 5. The dealer had to get an engineers report before we could get seating capacity changed.



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    I did club 7 seat ... I figure its then on the Vic roads database as a 7 seat " convertible " so I can't see that ill get done for swapping to a full hardtop or canvas 3 seater....or ... Or.... Or ...
    I still need to deal with the seatbelt issue ( lack of)
    As far as I'm concerned s1 Lr's are convertibles
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    Quote Originally Posted by mfc View Post
    I did club 7 seat ... I figure its then on the Vic roads database as a 7 seat " convertible " so I can't see that ill get done for swapping to a full hardtop or canvas 3 seater....or ... Or.... Or ...
    I still need to deal with the seatbelt issue ( lack of)
    As far as I'm concerned s1 Lr's are convertibles
    You don't need seatbelts in a Series I, I can't remember the cutoff date but I think it's 1960 or 1961. Then for a few years they may have only been compulsory in the front.
    I'll have to find the VicRoads info.

    If you are carrying a child then they need a proper restraint (this was fully retrospective).


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    and facing forward till they are 12 i believe
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    My Hebe registration expired with previous owner. It was previously registered for three seats.

    When I went to Vic roads for re-registration I showed up with an original parts book and workshop manual (showing/proofing these were optional extras). In addition I had a picture of a QLD registered 7 seater with the license plate visible. Next I put in a letter explaining why...

    But at my first go I was bounced back... as at the time I didn't have the seats installed during inspection. I borrowed some seats and cushions, none matched, and showed up again. They glanced at them, thank god as I had them loose in the car, and went back to the computer and changed 3 to 7.

    It took me two/three years to find the actual benches/seats and fix them up Hence... FINALLY! So it has been registered as 7 seater from the start. Small difference in yearly road tax, but I thought it better to do it then at re-registration rather than having to deal with officials later. I think it was a good call.

    Seat belts required as of 1963 if I remember correctly. Checked myself. I have none. Except for middle front seat so I can have my baby seat in there.

    Did that later myself and did not get an engineers report for that. I know they would want a stronger metal bar attached to the chassis, rather than using the existing seat bolts which are attached to the body.

    Legal? Well, it is required to have seatbelts or babyseats for kids. So, I got them. Engineers report, no one ever told me that officially. If I am stopped, will the cops question the construction or ask for the report? Don't think so. So far so good. ...Yes I know....

    By the way, anyone know the legality to kids in the back without seatbelts? Is that included in the retrospective law? I guess so, but the kids at my daughter's kindergarten would love a ride. As is, I am not sure if I can push them into the back with an adult?

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    Lucky you managed to get it registered as a 7-seater early on, otherwise you would be still filling out paperwork.

    Child restraint details are on the VicRoads website.
    Frequently asked questions : VicRoads

    You're only allowed to carry children in the front seats if the vehicle is a ute or other children needing restraints occupy all the rear seats but.....because the child seat must be forward facing, children would not be allowed in the back (even with proper restraints).

    Seatbelts are needed if the vehicle is registered after 1/1/1969 (I think 60/61 is the date in the UK)
    http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/NR/rd...74/0/VSI21.pdf

    I just read the above and the date for an 'Off-Road Passenger vehicle is 1/1/71



    Colin

    PS: I saw Hebe outside the garage in Dingley today.
    Last edited by gromit; 24th June 2013 at 06:58 PM. Reason: more info added
    '56 Series 1 with homemade welder
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    '70 SIIa GS
    '76 SIII 88" (Isuzu C240)
    '81 SIII FFR
    '95 Defender Tanami
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    Quote Originally Posted by gromit View Post
    PS: I saw Hebe outside the garage in Dingley today.
    So sad!!!!!

    At least someone who looks the rules up. However, the VIC roads FAQs are their interpretation of the rules/laws and do not give all scenarios.

    As such I looked it up (link), the VICTORIA road rules state:


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    267 Exemptions from wearing seatbelts

    (1) A person is exempt from wearing a seatbelt if—

    (c) in the case of a person who is a passenger in or on a motor vehicle with 2 or more rows of seats—the person is not in the front row of seats.

    (I understand from this that anyone in the back does not require to use seatbelts, even if they were there. Wow! That's very liberal, didn't expect that)



    (1A) A person in or on a motor vehicle is exempt from wearing a seatbelt if—

    (a) the seating position that he or she occupies is not fitted with a seatbelt; and

    (b) there is no requirement for that seating position to be fitted with a seatbelt; and

    (c) all passengers in the vehicle who are exempt from wearing a seatbelt are complying with subrule (8).
    Have a look below at rule 8, it means if you have seatbelts they must be given to children first. Mmm what if you only did the driver's seat? ha ha


    (1B ) Subrule (1A) does not apply to a person who is under 7 years old.
    (Ah, but the same is not said about rule 1, so the back is still OK, even for children)



    (8) If a vehicle does not have seatbelts or approved child restraints fitted to all its passenger seating positions, a passenger who is exempt from wearing a seatbelt under this rule must not occupy a seating position that is fitted with a seatbelt or an approved child restraint if the result would be that a passenger who is not exempt from wearing a seatbelt under this rule
    would be required to occupy a seating position that is not fitted with a seatbelt or an approved child restraint.
    (Meaning, children must be given priority to seats with seat belts. If you have them they must be used.)
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    Well those are the rules I picked up. Seems it is OK to put some of the kids in the back.

    OF COURSE, we drive carefully with kids on board and don't go on the road/motorway during peak traffic or at night when the crazies come out to play. I wouldn't want to have some loose kids in the back by themselves anyway. And whatever the law may allow,... we are still captain of the ship and responsible for all souls on board, right!?

    But at least we still can have some fun...

    And maybe I misunderstood or overlooked some other rules... In which case only lawyers should be allowed to drive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hebe View Post
    So sad!!!!!

    At least someone who looks the rules up. However, the VIC roads FAQs are their interpretation of the rules/laws and do not give all scenarios.

    As such I looked it up (link), the VICTORIA road rules state:


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    267 Exemptions from wearing seatbelts

    (1) A person is exempt from wearing a seatbelt if—

    (c) in the case of a person who is a passenger in or on a motor vehicle with 2 or more rows of seats—the person is not in the front row of seats.

    (I understand from this that anyone in the back does not require to use seatbelts, even if they were there. Wow! That's very liberal, didn't expect that)



    (1A) A person in or on a motor vehicle is exempt from wearing a seatbelt if—

    (a) the seating position that he or she occupies is not fitted with a seatbelt; and

    (b) there is no requirement for that seating position to be fitted with a seatbelt; and

    (c) all passengers in the vehicle who are exempt from wearing a seatbelt are complying with subrule (8).
    Have a look below at rule 8, it means if you have seatbelts they must be given to children first. Mmm what if you only did the driver's seat? ha ha


    (1B ) Subrule (1A) does not apply to a person who is under 7 years old.
    (Ah, but the same is not said about rule 1, so the back is still OK, even for children)



    (8) If a vehicle does not have seatbelts or approved child restraints fitted to all its passenger seating positions, a passenger who is exempt from wearing a seatbelt under this rule must not occupy a seating position that is fitted with a seatbelt or an approved child restraint if the result would be that a passenger who is not exempt from wearing a seatbelt under this rule
    would be required to occupy a seating position that is not fitted with a seatbelt or an approved child restraint.
    (Meaning, children must be given priority to seats with seat belts. If you have them they must be used.)
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    Well those are the rules I picked up. Seems it is OK to put some of the kids in the back.

    OF COURSE, we drive carefully with kids on board and don't go on the road/motorway during peak traffic or at night when the crazies come out to play. I wouldn't want to have some loose kids in the back by themselves anyway. And whatever the law may allow,... we are still captain of the ship and responsible for all souls on board, right!?

    But at least we still can have some fun...

    And maybe I misunderstood or overlooked some other rules... In which case only lawyers should be allowed to drive.

    I think you'll find the child restraint laws overrule all the above and are fully retrospective.
    One of my boys used to come in the Series I with me but then had to stop because of the new child restraint law. Now he's older he can come out with me again.

    Are the parents of the children OK with you taking them out with no restraints ?

    Anyway, your call, hope you have a good lawyer and plenty of spare cash.....


    Colin
    '56 Series 1 with homemade welder
    '65 Series IIa Dormobile
    '70 SIIa GS
    '76 SIII 88" (Isuzu C240)
    '81 SIII FFR
    '95 Defender Tanami
    Motorcycles :-
    Vincent Rapide, Panther M100, Norton BIG4, Electra & Navigator, Matchless G80C, Suzuki SV650

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    That's why I was/am hesitant. Because no good lawyer and certainly no cash left... That's why I looked up the law on seatbelts.

    In fact the parents asked me, and all the kids had eager eyes when they heard the question.

    Anyone can show me the law which says 'can not'?

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