Thread: Tare

The Kimm family are still around Hill End. David and Noel Kimm (brothers) are probably the latest generation. One of the properties that they owned was Powells hut. Noel also has a property, but I don't know the name

Tom.

Originally Posted by cactipus

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T.1.4.0

A.19.0

I'm a little confused over the Tare and "A" numbers. Can anyone translate.
I'm pretty sure I have them right ...
Cheers

Richard

G'day Richard,
The numbers are imperial weight measurements; so I am fairly sure that I am correct in saying that:

T.1.4.0 means, Tare equals 1 ton. 4 hundred-weight (cwt). zero pounds.

Tare is the weight of the unladen vehicle with water, petrol and oil included.

A 19.0 should probably be A 1.9.0 which means Aggregate equals 1 ton. 9 cwt. zero pounds.

Aggregate is the maximum legal weight of the vehicle when laden, including passengers and luggage. It is calculated by subtracting the tare from the aggregate, which leaves 500 pounds (lb). 500 lb is about 226kg, which sounds about right to me.

It used to be a legal requirement for all commercial vehicles, including light-vehicles, to have the tare and aggregate painted on the side somewhere. It can still be seen on the side of heavy and medium commercial vehicles, with C representing the mass of the vehicle and laden trailer,

Cheers Charlie

Charlie has got it spot on. A ton is slightly more than a Tonne, 2,240 pounds, and a hundredweight is 1/20 of a tonne, or 112 pounds.

The Tare weight is used on commercial vehicles to subtract from the weighbridge weight to give the load, for example, for charging cartage, and the Aggregate weight is used to make overloading obvious.

In NSW all utes and other light goods vehicles such as vans had to be registered as commercial vehicles, requiring the side to be labelled (as in this case) with the name and address of the owner and the tare and aggregate weights.

I'm not sure when it changed - was required for my VW ute in 1960, but not for my Series 1 in 1962 - or at any rate was not put on it, and I never got picked up.

John

On a loosely related note, does anyone have any ideas as to how to uncover such things - ie take top layer of paint off- without damaging the paint underneath?

I remember painting T & AG on utes and vans and trailers back in WA as an apprentice mechanic at pre deliverys and after the trays were fitted on toyota cruisers and hiluxes and on the hiace vans. Stencils and a spray gun and lots of cleaning up if i got it wrong😕😕

Cheers Rod

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Hello from Brisbane.

Not sure either when they stopped wanting those figures applied to NSW vehicles - my late Uncle's 1962 International Scout had them painted on the RHS before the rear wheel arch, whereas our late 1963 Holden ute and 1968 88" never had them from new.

Parts of Africa still seem to use it. For example, in Zimbabwe the weight signs are often applied to both light and heavy transport vehicles including 4WD utilities. The common option is to buy a sticker from an auto parts shop or the AA that has the old style black and white digital letters and numbers in 2 rows for tare weight and gross mass. You then delete the various vertical and horizontal bars for each letter and number to make up the correct empty and laden weights, and stick it on the side - for utilities often behind the rear wheel arch.

Cheers,

Thanks everyone for these terrific responses.
Just a note on uncovering the paint. I thought that since I could see the letters there must be paint underneath a layer of green paint.
I thought if I were to take some 1200grit paper and lightly sand the whit epaint would turn up.

Unfortunately it was not the case. It appears that the white paint over time has worn off but left an elevated mark. The upshot is that sanding removed some of the letters and artwork completely. I can still see it but it's a pain.

Just be careful and try a test area.

Richard

I had a look in whitepages andf this looks like Noel Kimm's number. He or his brother David would be a good start. I used to know David some years ago. Very approachable.


Tom.

N D M & L Kimm
245 Ullamalla Rd, Hill02 6337 End NSW 2850
02 6337 8270