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I wondered why the brakes didn't work

Took off the front guards today (so easy!) I then noticed that the copper brakes lines leading from the front drums to the master cylinder, are corroded, as in totally missing!

Anyone know where to replace these from, or would it be just as easy to make them up yourself?

Originally Posted by drumcounsellor

Hi,

After much consideration, I picked up a series 1 80 this afternoon.

It drives very smoothly, has no rust, is pretty straight, but looks bloody awful

Anyway, I paid $1000 for it, and was just hoping to get some information about the engine number as I can't find any information online to identify it.

The Body number is R06101688 which if I'm not mistaken indicates a 1950 model.

The engine number is 212192. I would imagine it's the original 1.6, however, the guy I bought it off reckons it's a 2 litre, which means it would be a transplant from a later model.

Anyone able to help me identify it?

Thanks heaps

Alex

Looks a great start! You've got all the hard bits - hard top and original door tops.

What you have is an Export fully assembled early 1950 vehicle made in August/September 1949. Vehicles 06101685-86 (total 2) were CKD RHD vehicles that went to Annand & Thompson the Queensland distributors on 07/09/1949 for assembly. It is reasonable to believe this one was a fully built up vehicle that went to them also. I have the numbers of all 1950 CKD vehicles so can be pretty sure about this.

Many Annand & Thompson vehicles have the Land Rover logo on the front of the mudguard on the drivers side so be careful if stripping the paint - try with a water blaster first. Some also had it on the tailgate. There may be some other A&T id on it - Lubrication recommendations plate, etc.

I would think the number you have quoted is an engine casting number.
To find the engine number look on the passengers side of the engine at the extreme front end in front of the small welch plug near where the front end of the exhaust manifold bolts on. They are little stamps - should be 0610xxxx if original. Even if original the engine number may be a couple of hundred different to the body/chassis number. If you do find it let us know.

Also have a look for dated parts - wheels, starter motor, carburettor, coil, radiator etc - this will give you some other details. I have 8667917 (third last 1949 model sold by Grenville Motors on 10/11/1949) and 06102933 sold by Grenville Motors on 8/2/1950. So that gives some more idea of when it was sold.
Vehicle 06101670 was registered on 26/09/1949 in the UK.

These vehicles have ring-pull transmission, long nosed differentials. The ringpull instruction plate is on the firewall. Door tops with wire hinges.

All standard vehicles by this time were in bronze green, body, chassis and hardtop. The off white hardtop colour was a later option after requests from the tropics - too bl**dy hot!

The hard top was introduced a bit later so it's a later purchase and is great addition - they are hard to come by. Usually they split at the stretched area above the slope downwards to the windscreen.

Hope this helps.

Regards,
Bob

Originally Posted by drumcounsellor

I wondered why the brakes didn't work

Took off the front guards today (so easy!) I then noticed that the copper brakes lines leading from the front drums to the master cylinder, are corroded, as in totally missing!

Anyone know where to replace these from, or would it be just as easy to make them up yourself?

Make them up yourself, or go to the local brake place, and they will do it for you. You may want a sample though.

Originally Posted by bobslandies

Looks a great start! You've got all the hard bits - hard top and original door tops.

What you have is an Export fully assembled early 1950 vehicle made in August/September 1949. Vehicles 06101685-86 (total 2) were CKD RHD vehicles that went to Annand & Thompson the Queensland distributors on 07/09/1949 for assembly. It is reasonable to believe this one was a fully built up vehicle that went to them also. I have the numbers of all 1950 CKD vehicles so can be pretty sure about this.

Many Annand & Thompson vehicles have the Land Rover logo on the front of the mudguard on the drivers side so be careful if stripping the paint - try with a water blaster first. Some also had it on the tailgate. There may be some other A&T id on it - Lubrication recommendations plate, etc.

I would think the number you have quoted is an engine casting number.
To find the engine number look on the passengers side of the engine at the extreme front end in front of the small welch plug near where the front end of the exhaust manifold bolts on. They are little stamps - should be 0610xxxx if original. Even if original the engine number may be a couple of hundred different to the body/chassis number. If you do find it let us know.

Also have a look for dated parts - wheels, starter motor, carburettor, coil, radiator etc - this will give you some other details. I have 8667917 (third last 1949 model sold by Grenville Motors on 10/11/1949) and 06102933 sold by Grenville Motors on 8/2/1950. So that gives some more idea of when it was sold.
Vehicle 06101670 was registered on 26/09/1949 in the UK.

These vehicles have ring-pull transmission, long nosed differentials. The ringpull instruction plate is on the firewall. Door tops with wire hinges.

All standard vehicles by this time were in bronze green, body, chassis and hardtop. The off white hardtop colour was a later option after requests from the tropics - too bl**dy hot!

The hard top was introduced a bit later so it's a later purchase and is great addition - they are hard to come by. Usually they split at the stretched area above the slope downwards to the windscreen.

Hope this helps.

Regards,
Bob

Thanks so much for that information, Bob!! It's really appreciated.

I had a look for the engine number where you said, and found it. It says -

07101979

I think that means that it's not the original, and may be a 2 litre. What are your thoughts?

Thanks again for everyone's invaluable assistance.

Originally Posted by drumcounsellor

Thanks so much for that information, Bob!! It's really appreciated.

I had a look for the engine number where you said, and found it. It says -

07101979

I think that means that it's not the original, and may be a 2 litre. What are your thoughts?

Thanks again for everyone's invaluable assistance.

I think you have misread the number. Should be 0610 prefix that would make it the original. There is no 0710 prefix. Give it a scrub with steel wool or light emery as they are often not so strongly stamped or someone has damaged it with a tool trying to get the head off, the manifold off or welch plug out. If it is 06101979 it is probably the original motor.

0610 = 1950; 16xx = 1951; 26xx = 1952; 36xx = 1953; 47xx = 1954; 57xx = 1955; two new numbering systems were introduced in 1956 none after that start with an 0. There are other sequences but this will give you the general idea.

I forgot to mention the front of the chassis should also have two plate extensions that the bumper bar bolts to with eight bolts. This is generally called the "fishplate" chassis and went through to chassis number 06103841. The ring-pull recessed floor changed to the yellow knob system on the gearbox tunnel cover at 06103885.

regards,
Bob