Thread: 49 S1 80"

Originally Posted by back_in

Hi all
The number of owners that are not content to have a great 50, ....
So for god's sake a 48 born in 49 is still a 48
a 49 born in 48 is still a 49, a 50 born in 49 is still a 50
why is it that some people have a problem calling a car the year land Rover said it was instead of trying to make what it is not.

Yes Ian this is an interesting and ongoing debate.

The issue is the difference between year of manufacture and model year.

So yes you are correct:

• A 1948 model has a number between 860001 and 863000.
• A 1949 model has a number between 8663001 and 8667920
• A 1950 model has a number starting 061

However there is no problem also suggesting a vehicle was manufactured in a particuler year. In fact after the advent of Australian compliance plates the vehicle is identified by it's manufacture year. For example I have a phase II Range Rover, when I order parts for this vehicle I have to get parts for a 1985 model which are different to the 1984 models. However the compliance plate specifies that the vehicle was built in 10/84 so that is the date that the RTA and the Insurance companies want, 1985 model or not. It is the same with historic registration, eligibility is the manufacture year and not the model year.

In fact Marco's Pre-production 80" over in Perth was most probably built after the first of the Production 1948 models, so who's is the oldest Marco's Pre-pro or R860004 also in Perth?

So Ian yes you are correct but also wrong in respect to manufacture year.

In the long run, who really cares, just have fun and enjoy your cars.

Diana

Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies

Quite a lot of conjecture here.
In NSW R8665278 and R8665487 arrived in Port Jackson on the 25th July 1949 meaning that they had to have been assembled in the UK in April, May or the first week of June at the latest. The dates stamped on the parts and assemblies are usually about 1 month before the vehicle assembly.

R8665278 was 'In' 30/05/1949 and 'out' 08/06/1949

R8665487 was 'In' 06/05/1949 and 'out' 08/06/1949

Both obviously to Grenville Motor's Sydney

Hi All
I am glad Diana you have responded to my comments.
It is one of other things that we have at other times agreed to disagree.
It this one of the things that add's interest in our enjoyment of the Mark.
But you are wrong a 49 L/R is a 49 L/R
not a 48 or any other year somebody now claims it may be.
The bosses at L/R have called their product such and such.
Why the ego enriched that have come later, think they have the right to change what l/R said and set in stone.
As far as Range Rovers go, i am a lowly worker, i can not afford one, when i can i will worry about were they sit with ins. companies and the RTA.
Who by the way are not in S.A.
Cheers
Ian

Originally Posted by 260AC

R8665278 was 'In' 30/05/1949 and 'out' 08/06/1949

R8665487 was 'In' 06/05/1949 and 'out' 08/06/1949

Both obviously to Grenville Motor's Sydney

So I got that one correct they were built in May 1949!

"In" meaning off the production line and into the Dispatch Department for preparation for export shipping.

"Out" meaning sent from the Dispatch Department to the wharves for loading onto the ship (St Hibart) destined for Sydney.

Originally Posted by back_in

Hi All
I am glad Diana you have responded to my comments.

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But you are wrong a 49 L/R is a 49 L/R Yes you are correct and that is what I said all 1949 models are 1949 builds
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Cheers
Ian

Ian

We are agreeing with one another again.

A 1948 model starts with 86**** (But some were built in 1949)
A 1949 model starts with 866****
A 1950 model starts with 061***** (But some were built in 1949)

It is just that when people talk about manufactured date it may not be the same as the Model Year.

However I am yet to meet someone with a late 1948 who suggests that it is a 1949 build car!

Diana

BTW Land Rover called my 1985 model RRc a 1984 build when they affixed the Compliance plate.

Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies

A 1948 model starts with 86**** (But some were built in 1949)
A 1949 model starts with 866****
A 1950 model starts with 061***** (But some were built in 1949)

Just to add to the mix

1948 Models
R860001 Dispatched 'In' 19/07/1948 to R863000 Dispatched 'In' 22/02/1949

1949 Models
R8663001 Dispatched 'In' 23/02/1949 to R8667920 Dispatched 'In' 19/08/1949

1950 Models
R06100001 Dispatched 'In' 03/08/1949 to L06115440 Dispatched 'In' 01/09/1950

Rover also released 'Service Bulletin's' stating the Model Year corresponding with these dates.

I have added a number of dates to the 80" changes lists that are now available here

http://www.lrsoc.com/forum/index.php...iew;article=24

Diana you made this statement:
“The early 1949's were made in sage green colour and ended with bronze green after the first of the Britt Army contracts.”

At what number did the body colour and chassis colour change and was it the same time.
Hi from Dennis
My other problem is should I restore a 49, 50, 51 or 52 next?

Dennis

This question one I'm not sure about but perhaps our new friend 260AC can enlighten us? The dispatch books he is referring to frequently have the colour listed where the Grenville Books I have access to rarely list a colour and then only because it was a special re-paint.

My thoughts are that the sage green ones all had the silver chassis, however they may only have been 1948's.

Diana

BTW. I came across a few CKD 1949's in the Grenville books the other day where our previous understanding was that the 1949 CKD all went to Dewar's in India.

8664193 is still Sage and silver
I would be a bit careful about that 260AC chap, might be an Australian hiding in pommy land.
His references are to information supplied by that Bishop character and I’ am always suspicious of the clergy.
Dennis