Cable driven wipers

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Originally Posted by akelly

Mick, my understanding is (at least for QLD and NSW) that seatbelts are only required if the vehicle was fitted with, or for, seatbelts. So if your merc has mountings for seatbelts in the rear you must fit them - if not, then no need. Of course, thats only really for show cars and museum items - if you have people in the car then it makes good sense to fit belts.

Cheers,

Adam

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Yes Adam, my old Mercedes will be getting rear seat belts. I don't want my rear seat passengers slapping me on the back of the head as they pass by on their journey out through the windscreen. I'm investigating for interests sake. Many other old Mercedes owners do not have seat belts in the rear as the rear seat is never used (having sat in the rear of these coupes, I can understand why they're not used. They seem to be designed for people without legs.)
The various departments of transport in each state have different rules regarding roadworthy's and design rules.
My understanding is if you modify a vehicle from manufacturers specs, you need an engineers report. (I'm speaking from experience here as one of my Landrovers is so modified that it required an engineers report.) Further to this, my understanding is (being pedantic here), if COFFEY76 modifies his wiper motor to a two speed setup, he will require a costly engineers report for the wiper motor. In Coffey76's case, as he is already getting an engineers report done for the vehicle motor, I would advise him to get it done rather than argue.

Does anyone know how to speed up the wipers on a '69 109"? I assume they're vacuum operated and oiling the wiper blades is not an option.

G'day COFFEY76 :)

The Series 2a's fitted with cable operated wipers(chassis suffix "D"onwards Neg earth) only had single speed units fitted (Lucas type LU-DR-3A,Rover part No R551226)and it was not self parking, and most 2a's were built before the Australian Design regulation came into force,1971,and only about 1973 was the requirement for 2 speed wipers and twin external rearveiw mirrors included,so if your vehicle in say 1969 then it predates the ADR's by a couple of years and those rules do not affect your vehicle, as the ADR's are NOT retrospective.


Hope that is of some help :)

cheers

Cheers everyone.

ive found a document from a government infastructure website. the document is the 1984 edition of the ADR's which state that ADR 16 windscreen wipers must have 2 speeds and 45 cycles per minute for all vehicles manufactured on or after 1/1/73. with this information i will talk to the engineer. in theory if i have the paperwork then he will hear me out. but seeing as he is the one that has to sign the papers ill have to do what he wants.


NOW all i need to do is make sure i can past the brake test...

G'day COFFEY76 :)


You do NOT have to do what he wants he, has to do what the ADR's require, and ADR 16 only comes into affect on vehicles built after1/1/1973 and make that quite clear or that you will call the registry and report him, for not complying with the ARD rules as set out by Vic roads:)



cheers

Hey Mick - your point about the 2 speed wipers requiring engineering is interesting. I've been looking for a S3 motor for mine so I can have 2 speed. I have no intention of getting an engineers certificate(!) - my interpretation is that it would be the same as putting H3 headlights into a car that had sealed beam units from the factory, no engineering required as they meet the current requirements for headlights.

I could be wrong but geez, you'd be stiff to get pulled up for having 2 speed wipers in your SIIA landy!:)

cheers,

Adam

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Originally Posted by UncleHo

G'day COFFEY76 :)


You do NOT have to do what he wants he, has to do what the ADR's require, and ADR 16 only comes into affect on vehicles built after1/1/1973 and make that quite clear or that you will call the registry and report him, for not complying with the ARD rules as set out by Vic roads:)



cheers

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I have had a few run in's with RTA inspectors and such over the years
and i often had to tell them you FOLLOW the the ADR laws you don't MAKE them. If you have to go further up the chain, fine.........

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Originally Posted by akelly

Hey Mick - your point about the 2 speed wipers requiring engineering is interesting. I've been looking for a S3 motor for mine so I can have 2 speed. I have no intention of getting an engineers certificate(!) - my interpretation is that it would be the same as putting H3 headlights into a car that had sealed beam units from the factory, no engineering required as they meet the current requirements for headlights.

I could be wrong but geez, you'd be stiff to get pulled up for having 2 speed wipers in your SIIA landy!:)

cheers,

Adam

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Adam,
I was being pedantic and taking the letter of the law to the nth degree so to speak.
Its the sort of thing an officious bureaucrat would do if they took a dislike to you. This happened to the guy next to me trying to register a Torana whilst I had a ridiculously easy time with a roadworthy as dogey as. (Don't get me wrong. The Mercedes is being brought up to scratch.)
I also have a Moke with a Gemini wiper motor. Who would notice? You're right about the headlights if you take the letter of the law to the nth degree but who is going to get an engineers report for that. They'll probably want the wiring loom to be increased in current carrying capacity and fused anyway (a good idea to do).
The question is "Where is the line drawn and who draws it?" (I have found being polite and saying yes a lot helps although puting it into practice is hard.)
Adam, I'd change the wiper motor and not worry about it.

Adam,
Your point about bringing an old car up to current ADR's, If you brought a '69 Falcon up to the spec's of a current Falcon, you would definitely need an engineers report. (I've seen that done)

Cheers UncleHO,
its always encouraging to get some firm advice.
Being new to engineers its hard to know whats legit and whats not.

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Originally Posted by Mick_Marsh

I assume they're vacuum operated and oiling the wiper blades is not an option.

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They are electric. Very few Brit vehicles had vacuum wipers. I can only recall some old Fords, e.g., Anglias and Prefects having vacuum wipers. Even my old '38 Vauxhall had electric wipers.

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Originally Posted by p38arover

They are electric. Very few Brit vehicles had vacuum wipers. I can only recall some old Fords, e.g., Anglias and Prefects having vacuum wipers. Even my old '38 Vauxhall had electric wipers.

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The only English car I have struck with vacuum wipers was the 1931 Swift I learned to drive on (among others), I was astounded to learn that Holdens were still using them at that time!

John