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  1. 9th June 2019, 11:47 AM #131
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    If they have oil in them and the vehicle is used regularly, they seem to be pretty trouble free. My 2a has only had a few oil topups over the last 25 years!
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    Quote Originally Posted by gromit View Post
    The bolts with undersized heads I had to get from the UK (I have seen cap head screws used instead).

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    Would manufactured tubular exhaust manifold (extractors) bolts suit this purpose? They have a head size one increment smaller than standard bolts. 7/16" hex head on a 5/16" thread, instead of the usual 1/2" hex head.

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    Dave, if you decide to replace the shaft , keep in mind that the original S2 'hollow shaft' relays, identifiable by the oil filler bolt on top , were produced with skinny 6.00/7.00x16 tyres in mind. Metal fatigue can strike anytime.
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    I knew they were small head, but I'm trying to remember - are they UNF or BSF? Or did it change? I can't imagine Series 1 is UNF. The 2a parts book I have only list one number for the bolt, 544337, which is the same as Series 3 (except Stage 1, which has a different number, probably metric).
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    Quote Originally Posted by JDNSW View Post
    If they have oil in them and the vehicle is used regularly, they seem to be pretty trouble free. My 2a has only had a few oil topups over the last 25 years!
    kept mine topped up and don't remember it leaking but it sure does now and there is a fair bit of play in it

    i'll try and source a decent second hand unit from a later model going by what i have read here..

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    Yes, but it may have spent long periods with out oil before you got it. Also, make sure that the play is actually in the relay, not the splines or the relay moving - the 1958 S2 I owned in the early sixties had problems with the relay moving due to wear on the bottom plate and its locating collar, leading to the tabs it was bolted to on top of the chassis breaking!
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    I believe S2's used the same special bolts as S1's ,thin head, slightly domed, part no 231299.
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    just got onto a NOS LR unit and will be picking it up in a couple of weeks...

    time to start pulling things apart i suppose

    thanks for all the info!
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    Quote Originally Posted by B.S.F. View Post
    I believe S2's used the same special bolts as S1's ,thin head, slightly domed, part no 231299.
    .W.
    that looks like them...
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    Quote Originally Posted by B.S.F. View Post
    I believe S2's used the same special bolts as S1's ,thin head, slightly domed, part no 231299.
    .W.
    According to my parts books, both S2a and S3 use the same part - 544337 While quite possible that there are two different bolts for S3 (apart from the different one for Stage 1), it seems unlikely that S2 is different from S2a. Of course, it is possible that there are two numbers for identical or at least interchangeable parts. That happens.

    I am beginning to think that perhaps the thread changed to UNF with Series 2, which was, I believe, when the first UNF went into Landrovers, and was kept through to the end of S3.
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