Thread: NSW rego questions/standards for a 2a

Originally Posted by Warb

It is derivative of the first motor car ever built. It has 4 wheels and an engine, seats and a steering wheel. By your logic, if I made a car from parts of an aircraft, it would not be a motor car derivative it would be an aircraft derivative. I suspect that "derivative" in this context doesn't mean "uses parts from", it simply refers to the derivation of design. The Land Rover is most certainly derived from car design, as opposed to motorcycle or helicopter. The only possibility for suggesting it is not a car derivative is to state it is a tractor or truck derivative, which changes the game entirely and I suspect introduces far more problems! The reference in the regulation to "car derivative" is attempting to prevent people from claiming that their "special" isn't a car, and also maintain the distinction with motorcycle derived vehicles etc. <Not correct: Australian requlations, particularly in the 1960s and 1970s had a variety of classifications of light vehicles.
Motor car, was a light motor vehicle primarily designed to carry passengers, its derivatives were light motor vehicles based on the same engineering platform, such as station wagons, panel vans and utilities which shared the same engine, transmission, suspension, braking systems and shared some or many of the same body panels. Under todays definitions motor cars were Passenger Vehicles Motor vehicles that are built to carry people. Includes sedans, station wagons, coupes, convertibles and people movers.

Land Rovers were considered goods motor lorry, they were a commercial platform generally designed to carry goods, the station wagon version was derivative designed to carry passengers and equated to a light bus. Under today's defintions a Land Rover were classified as Light Trucks Motor vehicles constructed for load carrying (including panel vans and utilities) and weigh up to 4.5 tonnes GVM.

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I've not been through the process yet, but don't you have to state the first rego date or date of manufacture when you re-register it to avoid it being classed as "new" and having to comply to todays ADR's. In which case I suppose we all simply claim the vehicles were first registered before 1965 when we register them?

They ask you the model and where it was last registered to determine that it is not a recently imported vehicle. Even if it has never been registered in Australia before, if it was imported with the correct paperwork, then it has to comply with the ADR (or other legislation) current at the time the vehicle was manufactured.

Where some people get tripped up is when they build a vehicle from parts, in which case it is classified as a new "individually constructed" vehicle, although there are moves to have that amended in respected of vehicles like vintage cars where the manufacturer only made the rolling chassis and other companies, like the "Holden's Motor Body Builders" would construct a body to go on the chassis.

Whilst I see what you are saying, I don't think I'd like to present it in a court of law!

By todays standards a ute (or panelvan) is a car derivative, but the LR ute isn't because it doesn't share components forward of the windscreen with a "car", because the station wagon LR with which it shares components isn't a car it's a light bus, because the LR ute on which it's based isn't a car derivative it's a motor lorry, because......

I think I'll just fit seatbelts!!

I found this link and it was a good read.dated 1985.
http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roa...Analysis_4.pdf

NSW retrofil law...
From April 1973 belts have to he fitted in the front seats of cars and derivatives first reglstcrcd

on or after I January 1965

VIC retrofit..laws
From July 1971 belts have to be fitted to the front seats of all cars (first registered on or after 1 January 1951), prior to thc issue of a roadworthmess certificate (which is required on change of ownership) From February 1974 belts have to be tilted in the front seats of all cars manufactured alier 1 October 1964

this was updated in 1988 and i found this

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/series-2-2...-old-cars.html

landrover station wagon in NSW was an omnibus and required seat belts-but an omnibus...untill recently.

my mum always has wagons-crown- falcon-holden-nissan/datsun and untill ULP they had been M/LORRY in nsw.after that they changed to P/CAR.as did most 4X4.

I know of early holden owners that had to remove seat belts as they called them unsafe.

LEGAL
what ever you do if you use the car for buisness-a wedding get some real advise..workcover and other groups are much more rude and nasty that aleather capped- bike pant HP officer.