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    Pitted Swivels - When is it too much

    I have a 1967 Series IIa - 109. There was no oil in the swivels, looks like someone gave them a shot of lube. Anyway I re-filled them with EP90, and no surprise they leak!! So will be getting a kit but should I replace the balls as well. Have noticed there is pitting on them. The question is how much pitting is ok, if at all? I'll try to get some photo's but we are currently being deluged with the remnants of Cyclone Debbie here in NZ.

    PS I did take some time to do a search of the forum - plenty of questions on lube vs oil etc, but didn't stumble across any about when to replace the balls.

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    Paul

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    I think TimNZ's rebuild had some discussion on the swivels....and I did see another build thread on here where a member used an epoxy steel to fill the pitting...can't recall which thread though. I did a Aulro search on 'pitted swivels' and quite a few threads came up eg....

    My balls are pitted.....what shall I do.......?

    dear dear, pits on my balls

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gordie View Post
    I think TimNZ's rebuild had some discussion on the swivels....and I did see another build thread on here where a member used an epoxy steel to fill the pitting...can't recall which thread though. I did a Aulro search on 'pitted swivels' and quite a few threads came up eg....

    My balls are pitted.....what shall I do.......?

    dear dear, pits on my balls
    Thanks Gordie, yeah I read some of those posts, but couldn't see anything about when swivels should be replaced, ie how much pitting is acceptable.

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    Any pitting will damage the seals.
    I've successfully used epoxy steel on my Series I (a few deep pits) and my Series III shorty ( a few pits and some heavy wear in the dead ahead position).
    Both are leak tight but are on Club Permit so don't exactly get heavy use.

    Some companies will strip off the chrome and re-plate but not sure of the cost of this vs new swivels. You'll struggle to find companies to do this because of the set-up costs but some Land Rover suppliers can get this done (obviously getting them done regularly so it's cost effective).


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    I wasn't sure about whether this one would be OK but it hasn't leaked yet. Isuzu C240 powered Series 3

    Post 116 the epoxy metal is applied.


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    I have used epoxy filler as well and it worked well. It may wear out quicker but seeing that it is lubricated with oil, it may not.

    One thing I know for sure, is that the replacement swivels have poor chrome plating; on my S1 they rusted, sitting still in the shed,

    Cheers Charlie

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    Hi Chazza.
    Which epoxy did you use ????
    did you paint after filling and sanding.
    I was thinking, bead blasting, ( Across the road from me ) sanding with wet and dry, smooth. Fill and smooth, then paint.
    Thanks

    whitehillbilly

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    I had my balls!! stripped of chrome by a chrome plater years ago, they don't mind because they get to keep the chrome.
    Filled the pits with silver braze and filed and polished.
    Had them re chromed (had to pay!!). Still good, that was 20 years ago

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    Problem will be finding a chrome plater. Environmental and workplace safety rules have seen almost all of them disappear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by whitehillbilly64 View Post
    Hi Chazza.
    Which epoxy did you use ????
    did you paint after filling and sanding.
    I was thinking, bead blasting, ( Across the road from me ) sanding with wet and dry, smooth. Fill and smooth, then paint.
    Thanks

    whitehillbilly
    I think it is called Liquid Steel, but there are a few types on the market.

    Bead blasting will work; I used molasses and a sharp file to smooth off the jagged chrome and then filed and sanded the filler to profile, finishing with fine wet-and-dry paper. No paint needed,

    Cheers Charlie

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