Seat Belts In A series 2a

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Originally Posted by wannalandy

with the 3 point retractable belts . where do you mount the retracting part ? is it to the upper floor of the tub with a steel plate either side of the floor ?

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Series 3 (at least the tray top I have disassembled) had the reel mounted on the bulkhead behind the seats.

There are a variety of different seat belt mounting methods for Series 2/2a/3 - have a look at the Optional parts book for Series 2a/3 for example.

Seat belts have been fitted to Landrovers since Series 1 - the SMA had them on their entire fleet of Series 1s in the fifties, and all the Series 1-2-2a I owned in the sixties had them. Just because they were not mandatory did not mean they were not fitted.

Of course, at that time, the inertia reel seat belt had not been invented, but contrary to comments above, a properly adjusted three point fixed seat belt is actually safer than an inertia reel one, although the difference is small. Consider - how many rally and racing harnesses use inertia reels? If you have an accident, for example, while leaning forward, you are less well restrained than with a fixed belt. The increase in safety of inertia reel belts is solely because they remove the need for adjustment.

Three point belts are a lot better than two point, but two point are (a lot) better than nothing. Of course, full harness is even better than three point.


John

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Originally Posted by JDNSW

Seat belts have been fitted to Landrovers since Series 1 - the SMA had them on their entire fleet of Series 1s in the fifties, and all the Series 1-2-2a I owned in the sixties had them. Just because they were not mandatory did not mean they were not fitted.

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Agreed - they were OPTIONAL since the S1. My ex-military 1968 IIA definitely never had seatbelts fitted when I got it.

G'day Folks :)

This is interesting, as there were never any seatbelts fitted to Military 2a's while in service, but the Series 3's had them as part of ADR4, the only series 2a vehicles fitted with them was the Bloodbox, but also could have been fitted to the Fire trucks, in Qld seatbelts were not required in Commercial vehicles until 1/1/72 so you could buy Holden/Falcon utes up until then with out, NSW and Vic was 1970, as I personally know of a couple of cases that went to court because of this anomally, the mounting plates from the Series 3 will go into the 2/2a with out a problem, the hard top is the 3rd mounting point for Lap/Sash or second point for Sash only.

cheers

The mounting plates on my Defender look like they would fit into any Series 2, 2A, 3 or 110 County. They are plates in the corners and reels mount behind the seat box(wagon). My 2As got more substantial mounts as the year model got later(1967, 69, 71) with the early one just mounted to the aluminium and the last one similar to the Defender with galvanised plates in the corners.

I broke a retractable belt once and found the Discovery one cheaper than the Defender even though they looked identical.

Jeff

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Originally Posted by UncleHo

G'day Folks :)
in Qld seatbelts were not required in Commercial vehicles until 1/1/72 so you could buy Holden/Falcon utes up until then with out, NSW and Vic was 1970, as

cheers

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Thanks for this!!! I thought it was after the end of the IIA!

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Originally Posted by isuzurover

You are a bit out with the year there Dave. I have registered 2 1968 landies in QLD without belts.

EDIT - ADR 4 is the relevant one - Seatbelts became mandatory for FRONT seats from 1 January 1969.
http://www.monash.edu.au/muarc/reports/muarc248.pdf

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from about 66 on and I might be wrong they started using the brackets with the hole in them down at the bottom of the seat box. IME if the inspectors see that bracket without a seat belt you get a "nogo" as your vehicle CAN be fitted with seat belts but isnt.

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Originally Posted by Blknight.aus

from about 66 on and I might be wrong they started using the brackets with the hole in them down at the bottom of the seat box. IME if the inspectors see that bracket without a seat belt you get a "nogo" as your vehicle CAN be fitted with seat belts but isnt.

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IME if you say "the vehicle was never fitted with seat belts" then there is nothing the S.Cert/Transport/Police can do. As I said - been through it with 2 (1968) landies in QLD.

The 2nd landie had no date of manufacture anywhere as it was a bitsa and we never had the plate that matched the chassis. The transport officer said "so you think it is a 1968 model do you" - I said yep. When she saw it had no belts, all she said was - "your insurance company may require you to fit them". I was pulled up by transport/police in that vehicle a couple of times for "licence/vehicle checks" before belts were fitted - no problem either time.

EDIT - as I mentioned before, both landies have since been fitted with belts - mine with 3-point, but dad's only lap belts because he is a tight...

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Originally Posted by isuzurover

The 2nd landie had no date of manufacture anywhere as it was a bitsa and we never had the plate that matched the chassis. ...

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The Australian VIN plate system didn't commence until the early 1970's (1972 I think) so vehicles built before that date - 1968 for example - never had them, similarly for vehicles privately imported after that date.

Diana

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Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies

The Australian VIN plate system didn't commence until the early 1970's (1972 I think) so vehicles built before that date - 1968 for example - never had them, similarly for vehicles privately imported after that date.

Diana

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I am aware of that, but IME SII/SIIAs have an aluminium plate with the date of manufacture and chassis number.

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Originally Posted by isuzurover

EDIT - as I mentioned before, both landies have since been fitted with belts - mine with 3-point, but dad's only lap belts because he is a tight...

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So how have you fitted your belts at the highest point ? and is it an easy part to get