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    When did 2a production stop

    Hi All

    I have a trayback that is a 2a and the plate on it says 7/71 from memory. I was wondering how much longer they made 2a's for

    It has a perkins engine and series three type guards and 2a bonnet hinges and no salisbury diff.

    Thanks and Regards Mark

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies View Post
    The 6 cylinder bonneted control came out in 1967 although you would be wise to avoid the early ones as their brake circuil was an in-line booster. The yellow ones like your little specimen came out in about 1969 and the colour was specific to the 6 cyl. There should even be a badge on the grill with the word "six" this was an Au only badge.

    The Salisbury was introduced in 1971 with the very last of the SIIa. My personal feeling is that these models were the best of the Series Land Rovers ever made. They had the wide headlights, pedal mounted master-vac, 3" wide front brake drums, cable operated wipermotors, Salisbury rear ends and you could still hose them out after a weekend playing in the mud. While they still had a crash box on 1st and 2nd, it was the strongest of the LR boxes until they fixed the problems of the all synchro boxes in about 1976.

    Give me a late SIIa 109 Landy any day!

    Diana
    Quote Originally Posted by isuzurover View Post
    Headlights moved to the guards in 68/69
    6cyl was fitted from 1967
    I think a few 1971ish vintage IIAs got sals axles.

    Either you have a very late model IIA (in which case maybe worth preserving/selling to a restorer) or you have a bitsa - in which case - do your worst!!!

    I once saw a 1978 Series 3 fitted with a IIA firewall (obviously the original had rusted...).
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    Sounds like it was one of the last. The Series 2a production ended with the (northern) summer plant closure in about July 1971, although local production would have continued beyond this, as they would have been shipping 2a CKD kits right up till then - and they would not have arrived in Sydney until about August at least. I don't know how long from then until it came off the assembly line, but probably not very long. So I'm guessing that the last 2a assembled in Australia would have been dated 9/71.

    The salisbury diff was never standard on the 2a, but became an option in late production, although I would guess most 2as fitted with them got them later in life, so unless you knew the history or had production records it would be hard to be sure a salisbury diff was original.

    John
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    The Australian compliance plate is affixed when a built vehicle is dispatched from the manufacturers holding yard to a distributor and frequently does not indicate the actual date of manufacture/assembly.

    The last 109" SIIa before the first SIII 109 in the Grenville books is 35201458H and this vehicle was delivered to the original customer 25/09/1972.

    According to Classic Land Rovers VIN calculator the H suffix was in use from February 1971 to End of production in October 1971.

    AFAIK the H suffix related to SIIA vehicles which had amongst other things Salisbury diffs in the 109" wheelbase models. (Contrary to John's comment, the Salisbury rear diff is listed in the Jan 1972 SIIA Parts Catalogue (Part No. 608024 - first issue) in section 08.67 and described in the contents page as "Rear axle (interim)" all the components are the same as the SIII models. In the mid 1970's I had one of these late 1971 SIIA suffix H vehicles with a Salisbury diff and AFAIK I was the second owner and first private owner.)

    The SIIa never had SIII guards. Models with "G" and "H" suffix had the headlamps in the front of the front mudguards as continued into SIII but they didn't have the hole for the heater/blower intake in the LHS side mudguard panel so distinctive of the SIII models. The radiator support panel is also slightly different in the SIIA G and H suffix to that of the SIII. According to Classic the "G" suffix commenced in April 1969 and finished in February 1971.

    As John says, changes to vehicles assembled in Australia usually happened some weeks later than UK assembled vehicles.

    BTW the first SIII 109 started appearing in the Grenville motors books in May 1972. However it seems at this time Government orders were delivered with runout SIIa stock while private customers were delivered with SIII models.

    Diana

    Addit: Interesting things you find. on page 08.70 of R608024 is a comment at the top of the page:
    "Mischellaneous changes to accommodate the all synchromesh gearbox and salisbury axle on Land-Rover Series IIA models."

    The items include different chassis numbers for all the different variants.
    Last edited by Lotz-A-Landies; 27th February 2010 at 08:55 AM. Reason: Addit:

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    Contrary to Diana's comment above, according to the parts books, the inner and outer guards are in fact identical for Series 2a suffix G and F and Series 3, except for the outer guard on Series 3 where fitted with the optional fresh air heater. The fact that no Series 3s appear to have been sold in Australia without the heater does not mean this is a necessary distinguishing feature, and I have heard of at least one S3 (possibly imported) without a heater (or hole), and in any case all the panels except the outer LH one are the same as the late 2a.

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    John

    So you are saying that SIII have late SIIA guards are you?

    If they were first fitted to SIIA then that's what they stay. The fact that SIII used them also is irrelevant.

    Otherwise it's a bit like saying that someone's father got their eye colour or whatever from their kids.

    Just being pedantic I know.

    Diana

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    Thanks Diana, that explains a bit about my IIA ute in that case. When I googled up the IIa production run dates last night it indicated the change over from IIa to III was in 1971, but I knew this is what I had under the bonnet. It was complied 6 months after the last IIa produced.

    Cheers
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    Introduction of Salisbury axle

    Quote Originally Posted by JDNSW View Post
    Sounds like it was one of the last. The Series 2a production ended with the (northern) summer plant closure in about July 1971, although local production would have continued beyond this, as they would have been shipping 2a CKD kits right up till then - and they would not have arrived in Sydney until about August at least. I don't know how long from then until it came off the assembly line, but probably not very long. So I'm guessing that the last 2a assembled in Australia would have been dated 9/71.

    The salisbury diff was never standard on the 2a, but became an option in late production, although I would guess most 2as fitted with them got them later in life, so unless you knew the history or had production records it would be hard to be sure a salisbury diff was original.

    John
    From June 1969 all Land Rovers were provided with larger single-ended 27mm* (1 and 1/16" AF) outside hex wheel nuts but with 9/16" BSF thread that were introduced to "provide increased contact, and to prevent the possibility of slack wheel nuts caused by hexagon corners digging in". Part # 576103. (Land Rover Service Newsletter Vol 3 No 55 June 1969).
    * It actually says 18mm in the Newsletter but this is an error and the size is 1 and 1/16"AF or 27mm.
    There is an uncommon smaller hex single ended wheel nut threaded 9/16"BSF but hex size is the same as the earlier double-ended wheel nuts - 15/16"AF or more correctly 9/16BS / 1/2W socket size. (If you must use a metric socket a 24mm one is the closest fit).

    The Salisbury Transmission Limited rear axle assembly #576764 was introduced in February 1971 to vehicles suffix letter "H" for "Land Rover 109 Bonneted Control Models for certain territories in the Export Market and Station Wagons only in the UK." Axles are numbered 91100001A onwards.#
    All Salisburys were fitted with 16mm wheel studs and 27mm hex size wheel nuts. (Land Rover Service Newsletters Vol 3 No 21A; Vol 3, No 30, Dec 1971).

    # A later Land Rover Service Information, Vol 1, No 2, Item 7 corrects this information;"the axles are actually numbered in the range commencing H71/43 onwards"

    In early 1971 metric wheel studs and nuts with the same outside hex size (27mm) but threaded 16mm to fit 16mm wheel studs were introduced. (Land Rover Service Newsletter Vol 3 No 22, Item 135 - Mar 1971). The larger holed brake drums were introduced at this time. This means that the last 2As should have metric studs and wheel nuts. Later Land Rovers and Range Rovers fitted with steel wheels use these wheel nuts also.

    With the introduction of the Series III in September 1971 all 109 models were fitted with the Salisbury axle, all Series III wheel studs and nuts should be metric. Series III vehicles began arriving in Australia in March/April 1972.

    Both "G" and "H" suffix Series 2A 109"WB were imported in the latter half of 1971 and early 1972 and I remember vehicles assembled at Pressed Metal Corporation, both 4 cyl and 6 cyl engines and different body styles - Hardtop and Chassis Cab - fitted with the Salisbury axle.

    Bob
    Last edited by bobslandies; 27th February 2010 at 11:04 AM. Reason: Additional clarifying size info on wheel nuts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies View Post
    John

    So you are saying that SIII have late SIIA guards are you?

    If they were first fitted to SIIA then that's what they stay. The fact that SIII used them also is irrelevant.

    Otherwise it's a bit like saying that someone's father got their eye colour or whatever from their kids.

    Just being pedantic I know.

    Diana
    Yes, you are right of course. On both counts - they are late S2a guards - and you are being pedantic!

    John
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slunnie View Post
    Thanks Diana, that explains a bit about my IIA ute in that case. When I googled up the IIa production run dates last night it indicated the change over from IIa to III was in 1971, but I knew this is what I had under the bonnet. It was complied 6 months after the last IIa produced.

    Simon,

    Vehicle 34712523H, engine no 34524020B 6 Cyl Chassis Cab, Salisbury Axle, supplied 22.5.72 in a batch to the Grain Elevator Board, Registration No EIC129, fitted with Dunlop RTM (Road Track Major) tyres, keys 916 and 701.

    Afraid the Grenville records can't help with anything else

    Bob

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