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    STEERING TROUBLES

    Well have heard a noise for a little while now from the front end , Sounded like a dry balljoint so i gets out & gave it a grease today to find out its still there...
    So had Fatty jump in & start it & turn from side to side Well it wasn't a dry balljoint , The passanger side is hitting the spring when turning right..
    It never did this when finished & i put the first rego on it , its now just been rego'd again for the 2nd time since it was finished.
    I went & got the workshop manual out to get the suspension mesurements & went & checked mine but this is a bit hard as i have military shackels on the back & i know the front ones are a little longer than standard..
    On the rears i got Passangers side was 200mm & drivers side was 190mm..
    On the front was passangers side was 150mm ish & the drivers side was 130mm .. I think it is the springs as i am fairly sure they are the origanals but now that it has been used a bit i was thinking they have sagged..
    But i am worried now if i use it offroad & the passangers side goes right up it will break the balljoint....
    There was a gap between the spring & joint when i finished the car..
    If i cant sort this out quick i will be putting it up for sale as we need a car & fatty's runs out of rego in AUGUST & it wont get passed again..

    Heres some pics i took..












    Any ideas or advise would be great..

    Thanks Jason...

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    That track rod is alot bigger than the origanal as the toyota end is biger thicker. was wondering if i put new springs on (would like to go with parrabolics) ..
    And maybe get the passangers side machined in a lath & get it to or close to the origanal size & then tapper it to the larger size about 3 or 4 inches from the end..

    I think if the gap isn't big enough between the spring & joint when the tyre goes up when in the bush under articulation that they will hit & snap the joint ??

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    I just went and looked at mine - there is not a lot of clearance there anyway, I am guessing that the stem of the ball on the tie rod end is slightly shorter, at least from the outside of the tube, and has been brought into contact by settling of the spring.

    However, I would check that the U-bolts are tight and that you do not have a broken centrebolt allowing the axle to move slightly. Other things to check would be a loose swivel bush allowing the whole swivel housing to twist slightly, or a loose or bent arm, or a worn tierod end allowing the tube to be pushed slightly lower by the spring in the TRE.

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    Well i went & mesured the 2 rods the one that goes between the two sides is 22.4 round . The one that goes from the box to the Wheel is 25.6 round plus the clamp...
    I also mesured from the spring to the rods the Gap..


    The one that joins the two wheels is 20mm....



    The one that goes from the box to the wheel is 15mm ..




    Its is only hitting that bracket on the springs & the clamp on the rod hits the bracket . . . .
    Only on full right lock , The rap bracket on the spring is 5 or so mm thick...

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    Also ment to say that the steering box end is a little lower as it has the power steering from a 60 series toyota which is fitted to the outside of the chassis so needs to be a little lower for the arm to have full movement through right & left...

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    I can see the problem, if you look close it is evident in all you pics - its to bloody clean, no oil, no mud and just shiney paint. Take it out the bush, bit of oil splashed on with a good dash of mud you wont hear the noises.
    cheers
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    maybe reset the springs

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    Quote Originally Posted by JDNSW View Post
    I just went and looked at mine - there is not a lot of clearance there anyway, I am guessing that the stem of the ball on the tie rod end is slightly shorter, at least from the outside of the tube, and has been brought into contact by settling of the spring.

    However, I would check that the U-bolts are tight and that you do not have a broken centrebolt allowing the axle to move slightly. Other things to check would be a loose swivel bush allowing the whole swivel housing to twist slightly, or a loose or bent arm, or a worn tierod end allowing the tube to be pushed slightly lower by the spring in the TRE.

    John
    Thaks John
    I know the U bolts are good as i had to fix both center bolts as they where broken..

    I'm pretty sure the swivel bush is okbut will check again tomorrow..

    The tie rod is a brand new one i replaced the 2 when made the rod toyota 1end landy the other end...

    Praying that it is only the worn springs as they are the origanal 1973 ones..

    And it only hits that damn bracket on the spring at full lock or just before it actualy..

    Allways new i would have to replace the springs was just hoping it would be further down the track as i want to sort the disc brakes.....

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    My landrover doesn't leak oil , IT SWEATS POWER

    JASON & KAREN

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    You could extend the front hangers the same as the Military then fit Military shackles.

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    Last time I checked, Carrolls Springs in Smithfield would reset a pair of springs for $220. Give them a call on 02 9681 1355.

    Peter

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    Quote Originally Posted by TJWA View Post
    You could extend the front hangers the same as the Military then fit Military shackles.

    Yeah i would like to do that but its to time consuming & a lot of work , Easier to just change the springs . I remember reading Ironman do a 50mm raised spring mite give them a ring in the morning to . . .

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    1972 LWB S2a 5 DOOR wagon coming & GONE
    1973 LWB S3 green Sadly GONE
    1977 LWB S3 tabletop building
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    My landrover doesn't leak oil , IT SWEATS POWER

    JASON & KAREN

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