Serial numbers... again

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14th August 2008, 12:29 PM
TeZZaP

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Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies

All the major components (chassis, engine, gearbox, axle casings) have serial numbers the general rule is that the number on the major assembly is the same as the RHD Home market vehicle of similar configuration. ie CKD 109s 4 cyl will use the RHD 4cyl 109" home market number, a CKD 6cyl will have the the RHD 6cyl Home market number etc etc.

On the gearbox the number is usually stamped on the side of the selector cover.

On axle assemblies it is on the top of the long side of the axle casing.

Engine numbers you know about.

Diana

Thanks, I've got the numbers... but waht do I do with them! Is there a source that I can compare my number to which may tell me what type of vehicle they 'should' be from?

TeZZa
14th August 2008, 12:34 PM
Lotz-A-Landies

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Originally Posted by TeZZaP

Thanks, I've got the numbers... but waht do I do with them! Is there a source that I can compare my number to which may tell me what type of vehicle they 'should' be from?

TeZZa

Yes the OEM workshop and parts manuals have the numbers.

Or

Classic Land Rovers

You may have to use the assembly in the field for the VIN if it doesn't accept it add any letter a, b, c, d, e, up to h after the number to see if it recognises.

Diana
14th August 2008, 12:48 PM
TeZZaP

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies

Yes the OEM workshop and parts manuals have the numbers.

Or

Classic Land Rovers

You may have to use the assembly in the field for the VIN if it doesn't accept it add any letter a, b, c, d, e, up to h after the number to see if it recognises.

Diana

It recognises the chassis number, but then it should, its taken from a pucker Land Rover plate after all!

All the other numbers (Engine/gearbox/Axles) it just comes up with 'database is currently not complete'... that leaves me with the manuals I guess - I have the SIII 'Repair Operation Manual' and 'Parts Manual' on CD but not for the SII, do you know if they are available online anywhere?
14th August 2008, 12:58 PM
TeZZaP

Interestedly, and not to doubt anyone(!) (or to derail my own thread too much), the other SIII chassis I have here has the same construction technique and has a SIII chassis number stamped on the rear passenger shackle bracket. Are we sure that all SIII's had the 2 pressed half construction; were some of the early SIII's still using the 'old' style of welding the chassis?
14th August 2008, 02:43 PM
JDNSW

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Originally Posted by TeZZaP

Interestedly, and not to doubt anyone(!) (or to derail my own thread too much), the other SIII chassis I have here has the same construction technique and has a SIII chassis number stamped on the rear passenger shackle bracket. Are we sure that all SIII's had the 2 pressed half construction; were some of the early SIII's still using the 'old' style of welding the chassis?

My understanding (which is not necessarily correct) is that the change in construction method of the chassis from four plates to pressed halves was some time after the change to S3 from 2a for the 109, but that ALL 88s had the original four plate construction.

John
14th August 2008, 02:52 PM
TeZZaP

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Originally Posted by JDNSW

My understanding (which is not necessarily correct) is that the change in construction method of the chassis from four plates to pressed halves was some time after the change to S3 from 2a for the 109, but that ALL 88s had the original four plate construction.

John

OK, so your saying that all S3 SWBs should have the 4 plate construction on their chassis, or am I reading your post wrong?
14th August 2008, 03:41 PM
Lotz-A-Landies

Tim

I can't see the rear of your chassis in the pics, but the body you have is the series 3 gold colour which almost always indicates a 109" and that was the basis of my comment.

If you have an 88" I may be leading you up the proverbial garden path with my comment about pressed halves. Sorry I wasn't so precise in my information.

Diana :BigCry:

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

:oops2: Thats a very short wheelbase crossmember there!
14th August 2008, 05:36 PM
TeZZaP

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Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies

Tim

I can't see the rear of your chassis in the pics, but the body you have is the series 3 gold colour which almost always indicates a 109" and that was the basis of my comment.

If you have an 88" I may be leading you up the proverbial garden path with my comment about pressed halves. Sorry I wasn't so precise in my information.

Diana :BigCry:

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachment...n-dsc_0001.jpg

:oops2: Thats a very short wheelbase crossmember there!

The body is not from this vehicle... so not a good guide to base anything on!

So (I think), my question still stands; how to tell a SII SWB chassis from a SIII SWB chassis? And how to tell a SII engine (and gearbox) from a SIII?

You mentioned the rear cross member; I'll take a pic tomorrow and post for you. What are you looking for?

PS Thanks for all your responses guys, much appreciated and very interesting.
14th August 2008, 07:52 PM
Blknight.aus

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Originally Posted by TeZZaP

Wow, thanks interesting! A bit of history is probably needed here; I bought it as a rolling chassis; engine/gearbox plus axles all in place, but no body panels. The guys that sold it to me said it was a SIII and hunted around he's yard and gave me all the SIII panels for it. The chassis number I have came from the makers plate that was loose but with the vehicle (ie not attached to any panels). As mentioned, the chassis number is missing from the actual chassis and it had no VIN#/compliance plate. I wonder if it ever had SIII body parts or whether the guy was wrong (or was told the wrong info from whomever he got it from) and I've been working on a 'genuine' SII all along!

So, to recap, its an SII engine, on a SII/SIIa chassis, is there anyway to tell what series the rest of the running gears is? ie the Axles/gearbox/Diff?

How exciting!

your gearbox is a II/IIa the clutch is a giveaway for that as is the spring holding down the breather cap on top of the gearbox...

the serial number for the box should be under the small tower with the plate held on by 2 screws at the back of the box on the same side as the tcase....
14th August 2008, 10:26 PM
Aaron IIA

The engine number tells me that it is a SII engine. The early thermostat design is also sought after by people who want a genuine SII engine. The Gearbox is also early, as it still has a dip stick. I know SI did have a dip stick, and that SIIA did not have a dip stick.

Just checked the manual (factory, SII and SIIA), and it states that gearbox dipsticks and top filler plugs were used in "early gearboxes". This would indicate that you have a SII gearbox.

All of this combined shows a complete SII power pack. I would then suggest that it is probably a SII chasis, with SIII panels.

Aaron.

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