Lockers

[Dockstrada]

After going to Newnes for the weekend and getting my butt kicked by a busted up Hylux with a front locker , I'm now after lockers for my 2008 Puma can anyone make a brand suggestion. Should I go for just front or both front and rear ?
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[Drover]

Hey Dock,

General rule is rear first.

I recently bought the new HDP38 with locker centre from Ashcroft's.

Solves all the issues with the stock P38, pinion bearing spacing etc.

I bought mine as complete bolt in centre fully set up at Ashcroft's.

Just about to order the front rover diff. Again it will be a full bolt in centre.

Yeah you need to through a couple of dollars at it but it the best upgrade available.

[n plus one]

Hey Dock,

General rule is rear first.

I recently bought the new HDP38 with locker centre from Ashcroft's.

Solves all the issues with the stock P38, pinion bearing spacing etc.

I bought mine as complete bolt in centre fully set up at Ashcroft's.

Just about to order the front rover diff. Again it will be a full bolt in centre.

Yeah you need to through a couple of dollars at it but it the best upgrade available.

Yeah, in my view this is probably the best locker option for a Puma - solves a bunch of issues in one stroke.

I've been rolling around with an Aschcroft ATB in the front of my Puma for a while now - it's a good option and I (hope) will match well with an Ashcroft rear locker.

Drover - did you buy local or direct? Any issues? I want to do my rear diff before i go to the Cape this year but still have a few doubts about the Ashcroft rear conversion (mostly in terms of noise).

[Drover]

Yeah, in my view this is probably the best locker option for a Puma - solves a bunch of issues in one stroke.

I've been rolling around with an Aschcroft ATB in the front of my Puma for a while now - it's a good option and I (hope) will match well with an Ashcroft rear locker.

Drover - did you buy local or direct? Any issues? I want to do my rear diff before i go to the Cape this year but still have a few doubts about the Ashcroft rear conversion (mostly in terms of noise).

I bought direct from Ashcroft's, as I have done in the past, very easy to deal with and to the door in under a week.

I was lucky mine was nice and quite from the start, others had some noise issues. I understand that all the issues have now been sorted.

I have not had any probs, other than a pinion seal that was getting a little wet but not leaking.

The locker works a treat, engages and disengages with out issue.

No problem in recommending the product and Ahcroft's as a whole.

[Dockstrada]

Hey Dock,

General rule is rear first.

I recently bought the new HDP38 with locker centre from Ashcroft's.

Solves all the issues with the stock P38, pinion bearing spacing etc.

I bought mine as complete bolt in centre fully set up at Ashcroft's.

Just about to order the front rover diff. Again it will be a full bolt in centre.

Yeah you need to through a couple of dollars at it but it the best upgrade available.

So if I was to order the same complete bolt in centre fully set up, what would I order from Ashcroft for front and for rear ?
What was the cost ?

[Drover]

HDP38
- new casting
- new HD Gears
- new air locker
- full assembled. = £1350

Front (As above). = £840

For the rear diff you need to have prop shaft shortened by 75mm.

[ProjectDirector]

Has anyone had any experience with this lockers.

[MLD]

Has anyone had any experience with this lockers.

I fitted one to the front of a 130. Yet to use it in anger. I had a problem with mine at first with it self engaging because of a lazy spring that allowed the dog to engage or more accurately didn't provide enough resistance to keep the dog disengaged when the power was cut to the magnet. It would drive normal for a few hundred metres than engage without warning. I live in an area with bendy roads so it was interesting in a very scary way. It was a problem with the early development E-lockers that was meant to be fixed. Mechanic and Harrop replaced it without question. Seems all good now.

No reports from the mechanic (Opp Lock) of known failures. I'm certain it will outperform what I demand of it. Given the locker options on the market I wouldn't have bought it if I had any concerns for quality.

Mum's partner has a set in his Landcruiser that was used constantly up the Cape. He hasn't had any problems and is happy with them.

I don't want my experience to be a stain on the locker's reputation and i fully appreciate that manufacturing standards can throw anomalies from time to time, i just so happened to catch it. The marker of a product sometimes is not whether it works but whether the manufacturer stands by its word and warranty when something goes wrong. They did on this occasion so 2 thumbs up for Opp Lock and Harrop. That said, you still want it to work as intended.

As for the HDP38 Ashcroft are making them only in the 3.54 ratio (for the time being I was told). Fine if you are sticking with the OEM tyre size or even the 33", 3.54 is too tall for a larger than 33" tyre.

Don't forget to budget for upgraded axles and flanges (and CV's if you bolt one in the front). Lockers are a F........ expensive exercise.

MLD

[ProjectDirector]

I fitted one to the front of a 130. Yet to use it in anger. I had a problem with mine at first with it self engaging because of a lazy spring that allowed the dog to engage or more accurately didn't provide enough resistance to keep the dog disengaged when the power was cut to the magnet. It would drive normal for a few hundred metres than engage without warning. I live in an area with bendy roads so it was interesting in a very scary way. It was a problem with the early development E-lockers that was meant to be fixed. Mechanic and Harrop replaced it without question. Seems all good now.



No reports from the mechanic (Opp Lock) of known failures. I'm certain it will outperform what I demand of it. Given the locker options on the market I wouldn't have bought it if I had any concerns for quality.



Mum's partner has a set in his Landcruiser that was used constantly up the Cape. He hasn't had any problems and is happy with them.



I don't want my experience to be a stain on the locker's reputation and i fully appreciate that manufacturing standards can throw anomalies from time to time, i just so happened to catch it. The marker of a product sometimes is not whether it works but whether the manufacturer stands by its word and warranty when something goes wrong. They did on this occasion so 2 thumbs up for Opp Lock and Harrop. That said, you still want it to work as intended.



As for the HDP38 Ashcroft are making them only in the 3.54 ratio (for the time being I was told). Fine if you are sticking with the OEM tyre size or even the 33", 3.54 is too tall for a larger than 33" tyre.



Don't forget to budget for upgraded axles and flanges (and CV's if you bolt one in the front). Lockers are a F........ expensive exercise.



MLD

Thanks for your reply and your experience. I am at this stage doing research and learning more about lockers.
Currently my traction control is ok but on a few occasions didn't work very well and got stuck, I winched myself out anyway.
Trying to find advantages between air and electromagnetic so, I still have some ground to cover.
The other concern I have, my car is hardly 12 months old and suspect I will void warranty.

[Sandgroper]

Lockers will definitely void your warranty, I asked my landrover dealer that very question as I was interested in fitting a rear locker and he said wait till it's out of warranty first or you will void the warranty.