which defender engine is the best, a LRM mag test

[bob10]

From the latest LRM mag, a test to determine what they think is the best engine. The engines;


200Tdi
300Tdi
Td5
TDci


They were scored on;
Performance
value
off-road
on-road
simplicity
bush mechanics
economy
authenticity
ease of mods
reliability


The winner, 300Tdi.
Scores;
200Tdi 88


300Tdi 90


Td5 72


Tdci 73


All reasonably close Bob

[Slunnie]

I wonder what basis they scored value and authenticity on, and if authenticity even makes a difference.

Also, why they had performance, and also on road and offroad.

Also why they had bush repairability and also simplicity.

I think this would be like 4wdoty. 4 contenders and probably 8 different "should have" winners according to the readers.

[Disco Muppet]

Not sure if LRM is a pommie mag or not, but if it's pommie the basis was probably judged by a bunch of farmers with peaked caps, pipes, and no teeth leaning against a pub wall going 'nooo I doon't like tha Tee-dee-five, too many lectrics, mah tooo hoondred tee-dee-eye gooos plenty fast enoof faw me milk roon and to see me mam, dooncha noo?"

However, in all seriousness

Performance - Hast to be Td5 or Tdci, because struggling to pull the skin or a wet pudding doesn't classify as performance.
value - NFI
off-road - Td5 lacks the low down grunt of the rest but can be sorted with a chip
on-road - sure ain't the 200 or 300
simplicity - 200
bush mechanics - 200
economy - they're all pretty economical but probably one of the tdis
authenticity - And wtf does this mean, do we count out the puma as it's a transit motor?
ease of mods - Besides playing with the fueling, exactly what can you do to the tdis? Td5 imho
reliability - they're all land rover engines, even the pumas are having a munch on headgaskets later in life, You could have any one of them **** on you in the middle of no-where

That's this biased Td5 fanboys view

[simmo]

Disco muppet, you should be test writer. I love it, what has authenticity got to do with pushing a car.

reliability? you covered that fairly

OMHO the Td-5 is probably the best allrounder, it's proven itself over time.

[DieselDan]

Not sure if LRM is a pommie mag or not, but if it's pommie the basis was probably judged by a bunch of farmers with peaked caps, pipes, and no teeth leaning against a pub wall going 'nooo I doon't like tha Tee-dee-five, too many lectrics, mah tooo hoondred tee-dee-eye gooos plenty fast enoof faw me milk roon and to see me mam, dooncha noo?"

.........

In my head that went from a west country Zummerzet accent, morphed into a southern US drawl at "mah tooo hoondred...." then into Essex/Cockney wankah at "fast enoof faw" and finally into the finest Queen's English at "dooncha noo".

Genius.

Good work Muppet!!!

[bob10]

Well, Land Rover Monthly is a Pommie mag., & the testers were;


Dave Phillips [ LRM Editor


Patrick Cruywagen [ features Editor]

Terry Hayward [ defender expert]


I have no idea as to their credentials to do the test. The test criteria were;


Performance power, torque & refinement


Value how much LR do you get for your money, & how quick
does it depreciate


off road how it performs in the rough


on road how it performs in the smooth


simplicity how easy it is to understand


bush mechanics can it be prepared in remote places


economy how cheap is it to run


authenticity is it fit to wear the green oval


ease of mods how easy is it to personalise


reliability will it break down


The Verdict;


" The defenders were driven by all of us, on & off road, & along a section of moderate to easy green lanes.
Votes were cast & counted- & the results came as bit of a surprise. The worthy winner was the 300Tdi, which edged it over the 200Tdi- no great shock there- but the Td5 lost narrowly to the TDci.


It's a great win for the 300Tdi defender, but there are no real losers. We'd be happy to have a defender-any defender- as our everyday wheels.


We're all heartbroken that next year- its 25th- will be the last full year of production for the evergreen defender. Says terry' if Mercedes can do it with the G wagon, then there is no reason why Land Rover could not do the same with the defender. It's an old design, but it's popular & it works.


Will its successor be as good ? we'll have to wait & see. But rest assured, we'll be the first to check it out & deliver our verdict! "


Can't wait, Bob

[Blknight.aus]

Authenticity in my book would cover you for sticking to the ethos of the landrover in general... as in it doesnt have to look good, go fast but it must be reliable, repairable with the minimum of tools, it must tolerate the very worst of operating conditions and keep on going even if its dying.

In which case all the engines mentioned are out

X00TDI's are out because of rubber timing belts
the TD5 is out because of the fuel pump and the fragile nature of the fuel and cooling system if neglected
the ford is out because of it cant have its fuel system primed without special tools and is limited in the quality of fuels it can run.

(and notice I didn't even have to pick on electronics)


So whats that leave you with..

I'd put forwards the suzi 3.9 but that was never in the defender, nor was the 2.25D....

but thats only if you want to count authenticity....

[jerryd]

[QUOTE=Disco Muppet;2160387]Not sure if LRM is a pommie mag or not, but if it's pommie the basis was probably judged by a bunch of farmers with peaked caps, pipes, and no teeth leaning against a pub wall going 'nooo I doon't like tha Tee-dee-five, too many lectrics, mah tooo hoondred tee-dee-eye gooos plenty fast enoof faw me milk roon and to see me mam, dooncha noo


You mean a couple of country yokels like these two

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgZLH79nxJY]The Two Ronnies - The Yokels - YouTube[/ame]


ps I know where there is a blown TD5 motor needing a good home

[ramblingboy42]

by blown do you mean supercharged?

[jerryd]

by blown do you mean supercharged?

No it's kaput