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    Serious Electrical Gremlins

    Hello All,

    I apologise in advance for the long story. My car is a 2012 Defender Puma 2.2

    Backstory
    A few months ago whilst on the freeway for a split second I seemed to lose all power. All the dash lights came on and everything died, then immediately came back. This has happened a few times since, though very intermittently, usually not long after start up when under load or if I flick headlights on etc. I have noticed this seems to be occurring more often lately. It happens once in a journey and then it's fine.
    Occasionally on start up the glow plug light and fuel pump will stutter, as if there is a bad connection/earth somewhere.
    Another thing I recognised a few weeks back is that my immobiliser light will be on solid red when I get in the car and start driving (I rarely lock it) and I need to lock and unlock with the fob before restarting and then the light is gone.

    This Week

    I got home from work this week and when I tried to lock the car with the fob, nothing happened. I stopped twice on the way home at shops and it was fine both times. I figured it was the fob battery, changed it and still no worky. Also, the car wouldn't start. I figured this is because I can't deactivate the immobiliser because the fob is buggered. Tried my spare fob and still nothing.
    When in the car I can press the fob buttons and see the immobiliser light blinking in time, so the fob is talking to the car. I can not lock it, no indicator flash, no alarm goes off after key locking and entering the vehicle, central locking only works occasionally.
    The only way I can start the car is to turn key to position 2, disconnect the battery, reconnect and then it may start. This can take anywhere from 2 to 20 attempts.

    What have I done?
    - Read every forum post I can find across the internet and tried all suggestions.
    - Changed car battery.
    - Changed fob battery.
    - Checked all fuses and relays.
    - Unplugged immobiliser unit overnight.
    - Obtained and entered the EKA code.
    - Tried to resync the fob.
    - Checked earths.

    Today
    This is where it gets weird.
    After buggering around for hours trying different things I have noticed that when the glow plug light/fuel pump stutters at key position 2 it will start.
    If I turn the key to position 2 and see no or a very brief flash of glow plug light it won't start. This is the only common occurrence I can find between not starting and starting. Otherwise it's a raffle.

    If anyone has any clue I am forever grateful. I am at my wits end.

    Cheers
    John

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    Not 100% sure but a relatively quick, simple & cheap thing to try would be replacing the ignition switch (the one at the end of the key barrel). Known to fail & cause odd starting results.

    Then try checking/reseating the ignition/starter relays - I think they are the ones under the seat.

    If no joy it may be the dreaded immobilizer issues... Which I understand are very difficult to resolve (sorry, I realise I'm not helping with that statement...)

    Hope you get a result, good luck!

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    Cheers

    Thanks mate,

    I'll see what I can see.

    Cheers

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    Further to last

    In case this sheds any more light.
    Sometimes after I get it started the left indicator will stay on constantly, solid light.
    The bulb that lights up the fan speed lever has started working. This has never worked since I have owned it (4 years), I didn't even know it had a light in it.

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    Beginning to sound like a bad earth to everything in the dash?
    John

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    Bad Earth

    Thank you JDNSW, sounds that way indeed.
    This will be the next point of investigation.

    Cheers

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    Clean and refresh all earth connections
    დიდება უკრაინას
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    Thank you sashadidi I'll be doing this over the weekend.

    Last night I removed the instrument cluster and checked all connections. All look good.
    Also, tried to clutch start it as a matter of interest. It did not start.

    Cheers
    2013 Defender 90 - Daisy
    1977 Series 3 109 - Ellen

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    Does it make any difference to lock/unlock it with the key, not the fob? Using the key should mean the immobiliser is off.
    But checking earths certainly sounds a good idea.

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    Thanks Disco.

    I can lock and unlock the car with the key and see no difference. Sometimes the central lock will work, other times not and I have to remove/replace the negative battery lead until I can central lock it. The fob does not unlock/lock the car, but I can see it communicating as when I press the fob buttons the immobiliser light reacts.
    I f I use the key to unlock there is no alarm.

    I have a few days off, so I'll be giving the earths a good going over.

    Cheers for all the help.
    2013 Defender 90 - Daisy
    1977 Series 3 109 - Ellen

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