EV reality

[superquag]

Making a few enquiries about EV ownership, and "Insurance". came up. A mate in the business just gave the advice, - "DON't," - Premium will make your eyes water. (Pensioner, so easy to do !) and a fire in a multi level park would send them into Low Earth Orbit. His company is not keen on the potential 3rd party liability.

Self--explanatory, and the short videos are... Informative.

Prof. PAUL CHRISTENSEN Electric Vehicle Battery Fires SUBSCRIBE NOW - YouTube


and, The Real Reason Behind EV Fire Incidents - YouTube


For fans of Cadogan,,,,, - mind the language. A giant battery caught fire.

When we recall Land Rover's (in)famous history of electrical robust reliability... A battery bush-basher would not be on my short-list.

[Hall]

So some thing as small as a cordless drill could do serious damage, let alone a EV. I saw a film of a EV that had been pushed into a river and was burning under water. Some time soon I hope the people that have with out question believed all the so called experts get a reality check. There is one at work and I`m sure that if I show him this video he will denounce as misinformation.
Cheers Hall

[p38arover]

The EV fan bois decry any posts/threads/videos about EV fires - it’s not as bad as they say.

[Homestar]

Apart from the diabolically toxic fumes, the inability to put them out and the fact the public are Guinea pigs to the whole experiment with no say on being subjected to the poisons they produce when the go bang bang.

If you were doing an OH&S study into bringing new plant into a factory and came up against the facts of an EV fire you’d never implement said tech - Workcover would string you up, but here we are letting Joe Public and our fire fighters get injured by them because of greenwashing and money.

[Tins]

Now, now... FUD, remember?

[prelude]

FUD, I do remember. It's what is being used against our youth convincing them the planet is going to die soon right?

Not sure how OZ will fare but around me the anecdotal reports are beginning to stack up. Power grid reliability is down (en a western european country which is a ridiculous thought) , getting a higher rated hookup to the grid so that you can actually charge your EV is getting more and more difficult, people getting warnings from the power companies that if they use more power than amount X they will be treated as an industrial consumer (with dito service, costs, etc.) and the list goes on and an. Insurance over here is not a thing (yet) partially because our government has quite tight rules on what is and what is not allowed. Still, we are moving towards the 2027 deadline where netting (ie when you deliver power from your solar to the grid) is being phased out and all subsidies on EV's are about to expire. I predict a **** storm. Stack on top of that the issues with the batteries both short and long term and I do not believe this is going to be regarded as a

Is that all the fault of the EV? probably not. What I do suspect is that we will be looking back on this and conclude that the order in which we have done things was wrong.

Anyhow, no, I dabbled with EV's way back in the very early naughties, designed a whole car (well took an old S class to convert actually) but I ended up concluding that it was not my thing. I never considered lithium anyway.

Ah well, we must take care that we are not seen as old men shouting at the clouds?

Cheers,
-P

[spudfan]

Over here, with the GREEN PARTY part of a three party government, EV's are being heavily pushed and apparently there are no downsides at all and we are all going to drive them by 2030 and save the planet. HYBRIDS are being pushed too despite the fact they use more fuel when driven in that mode. Anyway we will see how second hand prices hold up in years to come. When people are being told that this latest EV does X amount more than your "old" four year old one and it's battery will last X amount longer and this X amount of time to charge, who will buy the older (4 year old)model? That is not very "green" having all of those used cars hanging about.

[goingbush]

Theres a lot of BS out there.

Simple fact is if your a fan you will buy one, if you not you wont.

Electric car insurance premiums compared


I'll never buy an EV , not that I don't like EV , I just don't like modern cars.

My EV '73 Landy is the best car i have ever had , Full stop. (Because its EV, not because its a Land Rover) And the Insurance via Shannons is very cheap.

If I decide I need an EV with more range than the Landy , ( I cant forsee that) I'll buy a cheap 2WD ICE car & convert it using Nissan Leaf / Tesla parts or whatever is the flavour of the day if and when I need to do it.

[DoubleChevron]

All the known issues aside .... the biggest downfall of the EV is the battery will start dying at around 5 years of age (it is the same technology as your laptop, phone, drills ... etc... how long do your batteries last for in them??). As soon as you take into account a minimum of one, possibly two battery changes in the cars lifetime (average car age is about 12 years). At a minimum of $20,000 for a new battery, guess how much 5 year old electric cars coming off lease will be worth. If you guessed "nothing/disposal costs" you are probably close to right.

I have no doubt they will become hideously expensive to dispose of as the battery is quite dangerous to just leave sitting (imagine one torching itself in a wrecking yard with a few hundred other electric cars sitting around it ). The lunacy surrounding "the batteries will be recycled" is all smoke and mirrors. There is no real way to recycle these, so they will end up as extraordinarily dangerous landfill. I wouldn't be surprised if the batteries end up being tracked so if they are dumped, someone somewhere will be held liable for disposal costs.

The scariest idea is we will end up with yards full of these batteries "waiting" to be "recycled" (like all those chemical warehouses that have "accidentally" burnt down in melbourne). And while they are sitting waiting to be recycled one of the batteries torches off lighting up all of the other batteries

From every perspecitve I can think of, the battery cars are bad for the environment. Even if its simply because they will be thrown away while still "like new" because the battery has died.

[cripesamighty]

You are such a pessimist. It's not like an EV fire burns hot and gives off toxic gases. Oh wait...

https://www.ri.se/sites/default/file...Willstrand.pdf


This is the main reason why I charge my EV scooter in the backyard away from the house.