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  1. 14th January 2009, 07:51 AM #1
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    IIB rims

    and I thought these were like rocking horse sh*t...

    Just managed to acquire a set (here in NZ) of five IIB rims 569203 for FAB - to replace my 543384s.

    Totally coincidentally, two ads turned up on TradeMe ? New Zealand online auctions and classifieds. Browse, buy and sell online on trademe.co.nz - neither seller knew of the other...

    One had 3 x IIB + 1 IIA, the other had 2 x IIB and 2 x IIA.
    Was a bit of a mission to negotiate but got just the IIBs in the end!

    I am hoping they'll give me some more lateral stability on slopes of more than 0.0001 degrees

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    Good one Neil

    Getting a full set of those rims have been a bit of a drama at this side of the trench too. The people who have them usually want to keep them for their RRc or Defender. Then others say they have a set and after you buy them and ship them halfway across the country they turn out to be Defender 130 or SIIa rims.

    As for your lateral stability the wider track should help.

    I wonder if you could also fit up the stabiliser bars on the front. The same as the SIIB. You may even be able to adapt one from a Defender or Disco/RRc. If you need them I'll take some piccys, I also know of a pair of the brackets for the front axle, but not the rod to join the axle bracket to the stabiliser bar. My guess you could make it using the eye from a dead shock absorber and a rod.

    On the rear what about using something like a poly-air spring?

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  3. 14th January 2009, 12:41 PM #3
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    thanks Diana - on my travels sideways .. ahem! - I have always felt that it was FAB's stiffness with his undercart that has been the problem - my musings have been that the wheels aren't able to follow the ground as easily as could be.

    Thus a drop off under say the LF wheel means that the whole truck then tips to that side rather than the axle flexing downwards first.
    An anti-roll bar would be good for on-road stiffness but lousy for off-roading!

    In fact - I have dismantled all the springs recently - greased them up and... removed one leaf from the rear and two from the front.
    FAB is a bit softer on the road now - no more jarring crashes when you hit a bump - but does lean a little more on corners. All very subjective of course!

    So - with off-roading more in mind than on-roading I am heading twards more flex not less...

    That said, on a side slope, with more flexy suspension, the high CofG body will tend to lead to more leaning over.

    I'm sure if some boffin with accelerometers CoG measurers etc could spend some time with it he could come up with a good combination of flexy springs verus anti-roll stiffness.

    The Def90 has been the best yet I think for the right combo.

    But with all said and done etc - the FCs were working trucks - not designed as off-roaders or for that matter campervans! and LR had to compromise somewhere (and keep costs down...)

    My 543384s should come in handy for the 88" now - I need the tyre edges closer to the guards/bodywork!

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    I gather brookvales F/C was the one I seen on its side in the Aussie Jeep action mag in NZ army range.
    I hope not too much damage was done.
    I find on my 101 the stiff springs can cause the vehicle to fall into the holes rather than the wheels and axles follow the ground and the vehicles body following.
    Sway bars help on road handling ,but are a pain off road wise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brookvale View Post
    <snip> ... My 543384s should come in handy for the 88" now - I need the tyre edges closer to the guards/bodywork!

    Neil
    Wot U mean 543384's like these?



    You can even wind back the stops on the swivels and still not foul on the springs!

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    Diana: yep -as long as they are the same 543384s wot I have on FAB...
    Cool looking ex-Army Bling!

    Will remember to adjust stops...

    101Ron: we think alike re stiff suspension - how many leaves does yours have - are they different spec'd from Series stuff?
    Local mate here has converted his 101 to coils - ultra awesome off roader now without the crashing into holes problem...
    At a club meet here one Sunday someone brought the axle ramp over. FAB beat a standard (leaf sprung) 101 - everyone amazed - the thing hardly got its front wheel up a few inches before the rear end lifted. Something not right with his set up methinks.

    I knew FAB had been in the NZ 4WD mag taking a lie down on the Army range but didn't know he was famous in OZ as well! - Can someone send me a scan/photo of the page please? (to add to my hall of infamy). cheers. Neil
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    Quote Originally Posted by brookvale View Post
    Diana: yep -as long as they are the same 543384s wot I have on FAB...
    Cool looking ex-Army Bling! ... <snip>
    No they are not the same 543384's as you have!

    Mine are green while yours are grey and mine are in Australia! But they all came off early ('67 and '68) SIIB.

    So you like my FFR then? There are more pics in his own thread in the REMLR part of the forum http://www.aulro.com/afvb/remlr-proj...-30-146-a.html

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    FFR?
    Can't see any aerials anywhere
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    Quote Originally Posted by brookvale View Post
    FFR?
    Can't see any aerials anywhere
    Wot about here?



    Or maybe, not antennae but a little better!



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    Brookvale.
    The picture in Jeep action Aust shows the F/C on its side on a muddy track with two straps on the front of it getting ready to throw it to its feet.
    The mag gave two round about comments about the landrovers present , oil leaks and electrics.
    The 101 has a unusual leaf spring set up and is totally different from the 11a F/C .
    The 101 uses only two parabolic leafs per wheel and are set up for maximum possilble vehicle load and therefore are too stiff for average non army use.
    The springs being two leaf and of unusual width and thickness means they cannot be changed without great expense of a completely new spring set up.
    At least with the 11a F/C you can play with the leaf packs to get the spring rate that you require.
    The sway bar was removed on my 101 shortly after I got it as it didnt do a thing on road and off road traction and wheel travel improved without it.
    I found on my vehicle to be very careful going down a very steep decent with large holes or wash aways as the motor being in the front puts little weight on the rear and most of it on the front and the vehicle will follow the lowest front wheel in a hole by tipping suddenly the whole vehicle and lifting one side of the rear axle in the air with out warning and the vehicle is most likely to roll over.
    It took a long time to wash the phoo from the drvers seat.
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