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    joeywasinheaven Guest

    td5 not alive

    hi all, this is my first post, i have a year 2000 td5 defender county, owned it 3 years
    car very hard to start one day last week, it started after a lot of cranking, and drove fine,(normally started first time). it drove the next day no problem but when i stopped that night it would not start again, i charged the battery, i blew the fuel back into the tank to try and clean the filters in the tanks fuel pump, i primmed the system, i noticed a hissing or air noise from the area on the engine where the fuel pressure regulator is, is this normal? there seems to be good fuel pressure at the fuel pressure regulator but no way to test how much. there was no obvious diesel leak but i took it off to take a look, i then looked at the oil to see if diesel was in the oil but no smell. i had a mechanic look at it and he said there was no voltage at the injectors? does any one know when the voltage would be on each injector, is it long enough to see it on a volt meter or would it just flash on and off, i have a spare ecu, tried it but the same, ecu is second hand from ebay so cant be sure it works either. what would cause there to be no voltage coming from the ecu, i checked all the yellow wires from the red ecu plug. i would be greatful for any advice, i live in the middle of nowhere in Cambodia, so not many parts available, and not another td5 in 500 km to test my ecu on. i have a nano com and couldnt see any strange faults.

    thanks for reading.
    Last edited by joeywasinheaven; 13th March 2010 at 02:21 AM. Reason: forgot to say that there seems to be good fuel pressure at the fuel pressure regulator

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    Have you checked the injector harness for oil contamination. Blue plug front driver's side (RHD) of the engine. Even if it's not visible there it would be worth taking the cover off and giving the harness a good clean.

    I can't recall what the injector voltage is but you should be able to see it on a meter. Also see if the Nanocom will give the injector voltages from the ECU when everything is running.

    Have you got a Rave CD for the TDd5 Defender?
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    thnks for the reply i am trying to get the rave cd, i will check the harness again, i checked the first day and thats how i discovered there was no voltage at the injectors, will remove and clean, i didnt see how to check injector voltage on the nanocom.

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    unless youve got a really good meter you wont measure the voltage on the injectors.

    they run at about 85V and only have power on them while they are actually injecting which is about one poompteenth of a second. I dont think the nanocom shows you the voltage but it does give you the injector status and duty cycle as a % of the total available rate of injection (Idle is about 3% and full noise is about 100% if its under full load)

    If its turning but not starting and you've established that you have fuel pressure (you only need about 10-15psi in the head to get to idle) I would suggest that you check the crank angle sensor (pull the fuel pump relay, ingnition on mulitmeter on the relevent leads of the sensor then crank the engine or turn it by hand, you're looking for a pulsing on the 5v side of the sensor)
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    You can test fire each injector using the Nanaocom. It will make feint click. At least that will tell you if power is reaching them.
    If the loom is the problem a rough clean will be enough to get the motor going, even if it is rough. Blknight has probably located the problem with the CPS.

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    on the re-read, what fault codes are coming up?.

    Is the nanocom powering up correctly?
    Dave

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    What about a worn starter motor affecting the crank position signals?

    You can buy a new set of brushes from ebay for next to nothing.

    When you say you swapped the ECU, have you learnt the security codes via the nanocom to allow it to start?

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    thanks to all for the ideas, im going to start on it now, i fitted the nex brushes to the starter from ebay about a month ago, so i will replace the starter to make sure, i have a spare in the garage, i will remove the cps to clean and check it, i didnt change the security settings of the new ecu, i forgot i had to do that, i will look up how to do that if i cant find anything else, the faults on the nanocom are the usual turbo wastegate, egr problem, the egr is long gone the wastegate i cant figure out, its been there since i have had the car but i cant see wiring on the turbo for a sensor?
    will let you know what i find
    my wifes getting jealous the td5 gets more attention than her lately

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    if its a manual, just try push/tow starting it.. that eliminates the electical interference from the starter motor.
    Dave

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    Push starting is a good idea.

    Dont worry about the wastegate error. mine has that and Defenders don't have the relevant part.

    To learn the security is quite easy. Once the nanocom is connected go to the engine section, then I think 'learn security' then follow the prompts

    Good luck

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