Thread: Care 30 refrigerant in Sydney ??

Is that the so-called hydrocarbon or LPG refrigerant? I would like to find an automotive a/c fitter in Brisbane who uses the stuff.

Originally Posted by Brian Hjelm

Is that the so-called hydrocarbon or LPG refrigerant? I would like to find an automotive a/c fitter in Brisbane who uses the stuff.

Yes it is!

CARE 30 is a hydrocarbon based CFC free replacement for R12 and R134a - it has a global warming CO2 potential of "3" where R134a has "1600" and R12 "10600". It has a 6 degree lower boiling point than R134a the gas now used in R12 systems (-31 Vs -26 deg C). We used to use it in our fleet of R12 based freezer trucks and achieved 2 - 3 degrees lower temps than was ever possible with R12.

It was banned in cars in NSW for a time because the few grammes of gas in the air con unit has a flame out potential if the system is ruptured and there is a spark, at the same time as we were permitted to have 100kg of LPG inside the same car.

My brother still has some gas, but it means that I have to talk to him, something I am very reluctant to do.

ladas is the expert - but hasn't posted since may 2009.

Hychill is another option.

http://www.hychill.com.au/

I thought these types of refrigerants were not used here,although there are a handful of domestic refrigerators around using them.

I recon the push against them here was probably from the suppliers of existing refrigerants & also existing equipment that is not compatible with them.

Safety issues were also against them,the thought was they may be used in larger systems & this could be an issue.

I believe they are used in Europe in many applications,not just auto air.

The push here seems to be CO2 systms,but more for refrigeration than auto air.

As said ladas is the expert,maybe PM him

Major reasons Care products were not common here is because most people who service domestic air con units, are neither trained refrigeration engineers or bothered to investigate what are the most efficient refrigerants. Coupled to that, the main suppliers Actrol Parts and BOC gases do not carry the "Care" range.

Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies

Major reasons Care products were not common here is because most people who service domestic air con units, are neither trained refrigeration engineers or bothered to investigate what are the most efficient refrigerants. Coupled to that, the main suppliers Actrol Parts and BOC gases do not carry the "Care" range.

And neither does Heatcraft,the other main supplier in this industry.

Also none of these suppliers have equipment that operates on the Care range of refrigerants,so they won't be pushing them.

And in this industry there are enough cowboys around,who haven't a clue what they are doing,you wouldn't want another range of refrigerants around to confuse the issue even more.

I've got Ladas' phone no. Do you want me to get him to call you?

the hydrocarbon refrigerants are gaining popularity in australia. they are a fantastic refrigerant and the new refrigeration and airconditioniing training package that apprentices are taught now has a component on them in it. Most of the "trouble" with them has been political, from a purely refrigeration point of view they are an excellent refrigerant they have a low head pressure which means less power sucked from the engine to run it. As with any new 'thing' if you do use it (I do) ensure they have had training on it. the training is not rocket science but as it is a hydrocarbon it is highly flammable.

Use the yellow page in a city the size of Sydney there should be plenty of places that have it.

Lada is more of an expert than me but I am on the national refrigeration training advisory council so I do have a pretty good handle on it.

Cheers Blythe