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Thread: Power Loss under Acceleration

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    Power Loss under Acceleration

    OK I have this surge/miss under HARD acceleration only, if I just gradually accelerate it will just keep going right through to 4000rpm no problem.

    It's blowing a fair bit of black smoke when I take off or when I back off then re-accelerate, other times it pretty good for a chipped TD5.

    I have seached!! trolling through all the misfire threads, with no luck.

    TD5
    Silicon hoses
    New MAF
    Realitively new injector harness, and no oil on plug.
    New boost modulator

    Things I am going to check
    Wastegate for sticking
    Air filter
    Clean AAP and MAF just in case
    Make sure intercooler hoses are on properly
    Check for overboosting, although I figured it would go into limp for this problem and not keep missing.

    Baz.
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    One possibility is too much turbo lag. Maybe waste gate issues, or coked up turbo vanes causing too slow a wind up of turbo. No doubt there are other possibilities also. If turbo is found to be coked up, we may have easy fix.

    Good luck

    Brid

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    fuel delivery pressure / aerated fuel or an injector thats sticking under load.

    Assuming of course that everything else you've checked out is ok.
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    Baz
    I belive its overboost.
    Mine does it too under some conditions.
    Was it a much cooler day today???? See if it does it on a cold nite,bet it will.
    I havent bothered re-adjusting my wastegate,its obviously adjusted almost to the optimum point.
    The ECU only seems to go into limp home when its exsessivly over boosted.Mild overboost seems to momentarily cut fuel.
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    I am inclined to go with blacknight. You may have had some water/bad fuel go through your injectors and this will stuff them, as mentioned fuel pressure to the injectors may be down as well.

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    Well, it fixed itself, I believe since it did this after turning the car off and restarted it, it was an overboost problem, so on the weekend I backed the wastegate off and so far all good.

    I also changed the air filter, cleaned the MAF and AAP sensors, changed the fuel filter, checked intercooler hoses and tightened them, checked the wastegate arm for sticking and lubed it.

    So thanks all for your input, I'm so glad it wasn't an injector, so all good.

    I'm slowly going over things in preperation for our upcoming Gulf trip in September, replacing hoses and fluids, checking bearings, bushes and shocks, installed some Coilrite air bags on the weekend (thanks for your help Phil)

    List for replacement so far are;

    Radius and trailing arm bushes
    Rear shocks.

    Thanks again fellas, Baz.
    Cheers Baz.

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    Some more on this, it reappeared again, so I backed the wastegate off another turn, it has cured it to a point, the miss is now only appearing on a trailing throttle at low speeds but very infrequent.

    I think some more investigation is needed.

    Baz.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blknight.aus View Post
    fuel delivery pressure / aerated fuel or an injector thats sticking under load.

    Assuming of course that everything else you've checked out is ok.
    Redback I had a similar problem a while back with my Patrol and it would come and go. It turned out it was aerated fuel as Blknight stated, air was getting in through a cracked hose on the water separator.
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    Baz, If that miss at low speeds and trailing throttle sounds like 1 or more cylinders not firing, (or a 13B bridge ported Mazda rotory engine at idle), and goes away as soon as you touch the throttle, then it isn't unusual for a flash tune ECU model, only with manual ones though. The overboost issue is as you have discovered, every flash program I do I have to thoroughly test as most require the wastegate backed off to some degree.

    The fitment of a bigger IC can help this

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    I had the same problem,it was driving me nuts.
    I lengthend the wastegate arm to drop the boost - although it didn't seem to overboost,but the boost on nanocom screen didn't drop.
    I sprayed plenty of wd40 on the wastegate shaft,moved it with a pair of pliers and voila - a different disco!!
    It seems that if the wastegates is hard to move,when the ecm tells the wastegate modulator to move the wastegate and doesn't "see" a relevant boost change,it cuts the fuel slightly,but doesn't store a overboost fault,you see the boost doesn't go over the "limit".
    PS
    It took me almost 2 months to find it

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