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    are full sized intercoolers worth while

    I was wondering if any one has installed a full sized intercooler like allard or allisport which with tuning increases power by 35 % compared to 20 %(with tuning) for the direct replacement. I have heard lots of opinions but not from people who have that have done it.

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    As far as I'm concerned the performance boost is secondary to the overall benefit in running. Turbo engines work better with colder air (kind of obvious) something of which there is a shortage of in the NT. So a larger intercooler is a must have item and certainly does improve performance.

    The standard intercooler on a Td5 etc consists of an aluminium core with a cast metal-alloy header on the discharge and a plastic header on the inlet. All of which is then glued and clamped together. The Allisport units are full TIG welded aluminium. Glue, plastic and clamping all contribute to insulating the heat loss ability of the intercooler.

    Consider how the vehicle runs in Canberra summer vs winter.
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    ARE are the people that you want to be speaking to with regards to an upgraded cooler

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    Where are ARE. Thinking of upgrading my TD6

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    Quote Originally Posted by 33chinacars View Post
    Where are ARE. Thinking of upgrading my TD6

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    It would be nice to see some dyno figures in regards to engine mods. Pat

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    Quote Originally Posted by klappers View Post
    ARE are the people that you want to be speaking to with regards to an upgraded cooler

    you mean ase?

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    I believe a D2a i/cooler will fit in an earlier model D2- Is there an improvement in performance, or is it better to get an aftermarket one? Bob
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    Seems to me an important factor with an intercooler is how much cooling air goes through it. Mine on a Defender with 300 Tdi is still standard. However, reckon it would work better now than before I changed the timing belt about 4 years ago. Removed the full width air conditioner condensor with fine fins that are hard to clean. Also the electric fan in front of it which was a wind obstructor when not switched on. Have a coarser finned replacement condensor which will go just in front of the radiator when I get around to installing it, NOT in front of the intercooler. Also intend to instal it with flexible hoses so it can be moved forward to allow cleaning of both it and radiator.

    Since the timing belt change, standard fan with viscous coupling has mainly been stored behind the seats in extra cab. Have spanners to remove and replace it if necessary. Also no shroud. Air from vehicle movement goes straight through intercooler. Current to fuel solenoid on injector pump goes through 105 degree temperature sensitive switch on the head. Have been conscious of the need to keep enough vehicle movement for adequate air flow through radiator and intercooler. Only had motor stop twice and found it necessary to instal fan once for a short period once in the last 4 years.

    The fan shroud, regarding supposedly drawing air through the intercooler on a 300 Tdi Defender to me looks like an aerodynamic abomination. Would be interesting if someone did a sort of scientific test with lots of little wind flow measuring devices over the radiator and intercooler area with standard radiator and fan setup. . I would expect that a much lower proportion of air would go through the intercooler relative to its area than the radiator. With fans, 2 electric ones in front of the radiator are one way to go. Probably would move more air through the intercooler with the shroud behind it removed than would occur with the standard mechanically driven fan and shroud,

    Anyway, looks that bigger intercoolers should be an advantage but whatever type is used, one important factor in its performance is the amount of air going through it. Another is the temperature of the air. Should be a significant advantage not having part of the air conditioner condensor in front of it, which would significantly increase the temperature of already very warm air when the air conditioner is switched on.

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    With no shroud you only get a fraction of the air through your radiator. Shrouds are needed with pulling fans. Since pushing fasn tend to be terrible performers pulling fans with shrouds are indeed the way to move the most air.

    Full width intercoolers are great for cooling, but it comes down to two things.
    1. Is your engine getting enough air?
    2. Is your engine getting cold enough air?

    If you're trying to wring more power out of it then the answer to both those will probably be "no".

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