Thread: Toe In, Toe Out, that is the Question.

How lifted is the vehicle?

If its lifted bringing in the toe just a little seems to settle them.

I'd run that size tyre at 0/straight ahead Frank.

I run my 255/85's @ 2mm out, but you have a bigger/wider contact patch with a shorter wheelbase and I'd reckon it'd wander like a mongrel at 2mm out, although the theory is that with the steering axle also driving it tends to pull the front wheels straight, unlike a non-drive steer axle that'll try and plough.

I've run insane amounts of toe out on the track, (rear drive) but that's a whole different kettle of fish trying to optimise turn in on tight corners, I wouldn't do it on a road vehicle.

Originally Posted by Tombie

How lifted is the vehicle?

If its lifted bringing in the toe just a little seems to settle them.

How much did you used to run on your 'fender Mike as you had a fair bit of tyre as well as a fair old offset ?

It's lifted 2" all round, I've just replaced the 2 tie rod ends on the front drag link, the rear track rod was done recently and adjusted the swivel preload both sides, These tyres have over 11" of tread contact, so I figured straight ahead should be right.
It doesn't wander but at speed the front wheels get up a bit of a shimmy, the swivel adjustment and new tie rod ends should help.
What's the consensus on 1mm toe out?? Thanks all, Regards frank.

Originally Posted by rick130

How much did you used to run on your 'fender Mike as you had a fair bit of tyre as well as a fair old offset ?

Mine was wound in 2 degrees.

Tombie, how was the tyre wear, did you get any shimmy or excessive noise, Regards Frank.

From my technical book titled 'New directions in suspension design' by Colin Campbell.
A system that has the tie rod/trackrod in front of the axle should have toe in, wheras one that has the tie rod behind the axle should have toe out. the principal being that a spinning wheel will pull straight ahead to the direction of travel,and toe in/out is used to preload the ball joints and to place the tie rod in tension not compression, because the reverse would make the weak arse Rover tie rod flap about like a very flappy thing.
Wagoo.

I've heard the fwd/4wd vehicles should all run toe-out before. But I've found nothing but awful tyre wear (chews the inside corners off), vague feeling corner-corner and wandering with toe-out.

I run 1mm toe in on my fwd/4wd japanese cars and I also run 1mm toe-in on my rangie. It was wandering averagely bad until last weekend where I found it was running zero toe. Now back to 1mm in and feeling right.

Worst wandering it's ever had was 4mm toe-in.