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Thread: 300tdi timing belt failure after 10min running

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    300tdi timing belt failure after 10min running

    dropped around to a mates place yesterday just in time to see him fire up the 300tdi that he just transplanted into a rangie. it was all going well till about the 10 minute mark and bang....well not really a bag but a wierd noise and the engine come to a quick stop

    four broken rockers and a few bent pushrods as far as we could see......

    i have always consider do my own belt change but for piece f mind i get M.. to do them

    oh and he has done a couple of belt changes in the past with no issues so i am sure over the next week or so he will nut out the issue

    for my curiosity.........apart from the belt being faulty at manufacture what are the possible contributers to the belt failing so quick

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    several things not aligning the Idlers properly. if you get it just wrong the pivot for the tensioner gets caught under the idler and then skews the pullies causing the belt to walk.

    not replacing the Oring behind the drive gear (double stacking it or leaving it out) this lets the drive gear sit in the wrong position and the belt will walk into the edge of the gear and then off of the cam and pump gear.

    not tightening the tensioner bolts correctly failing to clean out the loctite can lead to bolts that arent done up correctly, the tensioners move and the belt gets chewed as it looses tension.

    over tightening the tensionser kinda obvious but unusual for it to cause such early failure unless your mates an absolute gorilla.

    debry getting into the belt. this causes high points in the belt as it passes over the drive gear it lifts the belt and breaks the spine of the belt.

    Mechanical failure of something driven by the cam/pump. essentially trying to drive the belt over a siezed gear, youd have to be unlucky but it does happen.

    someone bent the belt. If the belts been twisted or bent too tightly then the spine of the belt will be damaged and its only a matter of time before it fails.

    The key to picking out which method of failure was the cause is the damage to the belt. pics would be helpful.

    if it was a transplant engine did he change the belt (my assumption) or did he just drop it in out of the box?
    Dave

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    thanks dave......

    yep fitted a new belt to the engine after it was removed from a disco prior to dropping it into the rangie

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    ahh, its perfectly normal for that to happen.. the poor thing was just protesting at being asked to haul around a luxobarge after having it easy with the lightweight disco...
    Dave

    "In a Landrover the other vehicle is your crumple zone."

    For spelling call Rogets, for mechanicing call me.

    Fozzy, 2.25D SIII Ex DCA Ute
    Tdi autoManual d1 (gave it to the Mupion)
    Archaeoptersix 1990 6x6 dual cab(This things staying)


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    Another possibility is that it had the LR crank pulley which has a spot welded lip. These are well known for breaking. Best to get the Bearmach kit with the cast crank pulley.

    HTH

    Ivan

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    Possible key or keyway failure on one of the belt sprockets.
    My son's TDi 300 had this problem recently

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    It appears a faulty tensioner bearing 'brand new one' seized......the one above the crankshaft

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    hmm ID be pushing warranty on parts for the rebuild on that one.
    Dave

    "In a Landrover the other vehicle is your crumple zone."

    For spelling call Rogets, for mechanicing call me.

    Fozzy, 2.25D SIII Ex DCA Ute
    Tdi autoManual d1 (gave it to the Mupion)
    Archaeoptersix 1990 6x6 dual cab(This things staying)


    If you've benefited from one or more of my posts please remember, your taxes paid for my skill sets, I'm just trying to make sure you get your monies worth.
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