I've got a BW VC that's been taken out of a 91 Vogue SE - sending pm
My spirited driving style has got my poor Rangie broken and just after I fixed the fuel pump, gauges, ignition module
At the lights and I gave it to her a bit more than normal and then I hear this horrible scraping noise, no grinding noises just a circular metal scraping noise. No movement in any gear. Tried low range but the same thing. Good thing I'm an RACQ member with free 50km towing
The drive train has always been a bit clunky, especially selecting reverse.
Do you think the chain in the BW has come off?
Does anyone else have a spare that I can buy off them?
Steps to prove what has broken ?
Thanks again for the help lol![]()
I've got a BW VC that's been taken out of a 91 Vogue SE - sending pm
98 Harvey the tractor - 300 tdi Defender Wagon
84 Alfetta GTV
Thanks Guy,
After doing a bit of research I think I've most likely stripped the splines on the output shaft. Doing some more research but I may look at fitting an LT230Q instead.
Since this Rangie is going to be used for heavy offroading.
I'm just glad this didn't happen out in the sticks.
You wouldn't have one of these Guy? Or anyone else that is in good condition?
Cheers
Steve
No spare LT230's sorry, Outcast Offroad might
98 Harvey the tractor - 300 tdi Defender Wagon
84 Alfetta GTV
Hi i wouldnt even think of putting another b/warner transfer in. I learnt the hard way. mine failed in cape york very costly excercise to get car home on boat. lt 230 all the way and its a very simple conversion. all you need is the front prop shaft and i think drivers side mount and it will bolt straight up if my memory serves me correctly.
I might even have a transfer case for you pm me your phone number and ill let you know. jake.
Similar happened to my old '89 Rangie, swapped in a LT230, heaps better.
If your running bigger rubber you might even want to consider a Defender transfer case with the lower high range gearing.
IMHO, ther eis nothing really wrong with a BW that frequent oil changes with good oil will not fix, although it's a bit late when the output shaft is stuffed.
Mine has now done 210KK and is still beautifully quiet and smooth, but I change the ATF with Transmax Z before every big trip or about 15KK.
BUT I am not complacent.
I am slowly accumulating bits to rebuild mine . So far I have a new output shaft and second hand low K VC and I will progressively buy a new chain and bearing set.
I bought a spare complete case on ebay the other day for $26 , with AFAIK a stripped output shaft at 330KK .
Now 330K is a fair run IMHO.
But the old BW is IMHO a real advance for touring over the LT230 in its quietness and smoothness and in my considerable off road experience over 12years of ownership gives almost nothing away to an LT230 or LT95.
My 2 bobs worth but geeeeez they are expensive to rebuild.
BTW AFAIK if the chain is very worn it will slip cogs under hard acceleration giving a BANG BANG . If you have the no drive it is most likely the output shaft.
Regards Philip A
Mine died around 150 to 160K. NOT impressed, as the first 70 k of its life was on tarmac only, driven by a,...um.. refined Gentlman. 2nd owner was family guy and it got a lot of beach work.
Since sourced a 'good' 2nd hand BW box, and one day I'll swap the VC and its housing. - Easier than the whole box if you're doing it on your own and your mechanic is a bit rusty...
If the dealer-services for the first 70k did'nt change the oil...then I doubt very much if the Cheap backyard mechanic did it for the 2nd owner...
Every 15k sounds rather extreme... Does the fresh oil benefit the VC?- Can't see how, except perhaps to keep the bearings running cooler (being better than spec's and newer..) - the exhaust on mine runs close to the T/F case, keeps it warm on chilly nights, no doubt.![]()
You are probably correct in that it is a bit extreme, but then I have never broken down anywhere . What caused me to change even the full synthetic regularly was that the oil discolours very quickly. I posted on this with photos last year and David Ashcroft AFAIR replied that the cases get quite hot and this causes the oil to discolour.Every 15k sounds rather extreme... Does the fresh oil benefit the VC?- Can't see how, except perhaps to keep the bearings running cooler (being better than spec's and newer..) - the exhaust on mine runs close to the T/F case, keeps it warm on chilly nights, no doubt.![]()
My front ouput seal failed last year probably from exhaust heat.
I do not think that it would have a major benefit for the VC. I think avoiding single axle wheelspin is probably the best practice.I have towed my Camper all over Australia including GRR, Kalumburu, Mitchell falls, Strez, Oodnadatta,and last year up the Cape including the Northern OTT.
So far so good but as I said I will probably rebuild it this year sometime to be sure of reliability.That rear output shaft seems the weak point along with the VC.
As a comment on reliability, almost every 4WD now has a chain driven transfer including D4, 200LC , all the Yanks. The only real reason that they weren't put in D1 was AFAIK cost.
Regards Philip A
I bought the Rangie as the 3rd owner. First owner was the manager of Landrover dealership in Sydney and had it for a couple of years. The next owner who I bought it from was his daily driver up until 2006. He got it serviced at the recommended times as he did long trips for his work and reliability was of the upmost. A major service was done on it 2007 about 12k ago. I recently changed all oils except the auto, dextron 3 and 30% lucas in the transfercase. Wow did this smooth the box out further. I even put Exhaust wrap near where the transfercase is to help with the heat. Apart from the usual clunk when selecting reverse I had no warning. (Could be the diff) She just gave way when I had the pedal down. If anyone wants mine when I pull it out they are more than welcome. I will be doing the conversion as I have not much faith in these boxes. I haven't had much experiences with the Rangie yet but from what I hear I wouldn't want to have one past the 200k, especially travelling. Mines failed at 257k.
A little warning to others who have an ageing Borgwarner VC. Be gentle with it, no extreme sudden power to it.
Now I'm sure someone is willing to part with their LT230 that they've been holding on to lol?.......please?
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