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    Bosch 024 on 93 classic

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    After a very successful upgrade on my 87 I decided to finish the conversion on my daughter's 93, made urgent due to the connection on the module lead having a bad contact, she was not happy about lifting the bonnet and giving it wiggle every so often, did the leads plugs and cap a while ago, but Murphy has intervened.

    On attempting to remove the rotor the shaft came up enough to disengage the weights, then found that some previous owner/mech had grunched the plate retaining posts, in my attempt to undo them I managed to snap one of the plastic locating lugs off the wire locater, all is not lost as I have enough spares to fix it. Just Bl**dy annoying.

    Now comes the real crunch, something I just don't get, gone through the RAVE manual can't seem to find the answers, hopefully somebody with more knowhow than I can help me, I have included some photos to help show what I'm trying to explain.

    The positive 15 side of the coil has 2 connections, one to the noise suppressor and one to the pole on the skirt, which is earthed so I presume there must be diodes in the unit, then back out through the ERR4019 connection and off to the module, there is no direct power to 15 side.

    On the - 1 side there is the gas timer, triggering wire from the module and a shrouded white wire that disappears into the maf loom.

    I have progressively disconnected all wires checking with both a test light and multimeter but have been unable to find the power source, power seems to be present at the coil until all wires are disconnected, am I receiving feed back, how does this thing work, can I continue with the conversion and if so how do I go about it. I hope my connecting and disconnecting hasn't set the gremlins loose in the electronics, my daughter will hang me out to dry.

    My appreciation and to all who may be able to throw some light on this for me.

    Thank You
    John
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    White wire with black stripe and its little black box ERR4019 should be connected to the NEGATIVE (1) side of the coil, as this is the pulse input to the ECU so as it can enable injection. The connector should be the giveaway as it is a male connector into a female brass connection to the coil. Any gas trigger wire should be connected here too, as well as the trigger wire from the Bosch module.

    The +(15) side of the coil should be fed with +12V from the ignition. It is usually a plain white wire. That should be the wire going into the loom, test this for +12V with the ignition on, but disconnected from the coil.The suppressor should be connected here and the +12V feed to the Bosch module.

    I also remind you that any loose connectors around the coil are a disaster. Use only covered terminals or wrap them in tape, also squeeze them gently with flat pliers to tighten them up.

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    Thanks
    Will go and do a couple of more checks and report back my findings

    Regards John

    Also thanks for the info on your fridge, soon as I save enough I'll be looking for one.
    J

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    I have found the power delivery, it comes from the white wire that passes through the ERR4019 this connected to +15 it also powers (T junction somewhere in the loom) the module on the dibby, the white wire with the black stripe is correct as the pulse wire, and the shrouded white wire that disappears into the maf loom I assume is the ecu pulse, the brass connector is as you described with these two wires attached, what is the function of the ERR4019???

    I had intended to cut and replace the ends from the existing loom but now feel this may not be wise as one terminal on the bosch module 3 or 7? would be vacant.

    Should I leave the ERR4019 in the circuit or feed the power direct to the coil, I'll make a new loom from the module to the dibby.

    Thank you
    John

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jhonno View Post
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    I have found the power delivery, it comes from the white wire that passes through the ERR4019 this connected to +15 it also powers (T junction somewhere in the loom) the module on the dibby, the white wire with the black stripe is correct as the pulse wire, and the shrouded white wire that disappears into the maf loom I assume is the ecu pulse, the brass connector is as you described with these two wires attached, what is the function of the ERR4019???

    I had intended to cut and replace the ends from the existing loom but now feel this may not be wise as one terminal on the bosch module 3 or 7? would be vacant.

    Should I leave the ERR4019 in the circuit or feed the power direct to the coil, I'll make a new loom from the module to the dibby.

    Thank you
    John
    Disconnect the err4019 from the supply wire and take the white wire direct to the coil. I'm sure the err4019 should be in the pulse wiring instead. At least that's how its been on all the disco's I've wired up to Bosch modules. All terminals of the Bosch module must be wired, and the module and heat sink securely earthed (the right hand screw hole is the earth point). The Lucas amp must be removed from the dissy and a harness made to connect to 3 and 7 as per the pics:







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    Morning

    Thanks for the info.

    It would appear that the wiring is original, who Knows???. Wish I could find out what the ERR4019 is and it's function, Thought maybe it was a diode to stop any chance of chatter from the coil affecting the module seeing they are both powered from the same feed, OH WELL onward and upward, rebuild the dibby I am going to use a pickup from an earlier model as the wiring is colour coded, (work off my 87) easier to get it right first time around. Looking at your pics they have changed the size of terminal 3.

    Will upload a couple of pics later today of the completed job.

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    Run a multi meter across the err4019 and see if it's just a resistor.

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    Up and running. goes like a dream, Murphy struck again, timing light decided to die before I could finish setting, so ear for the present. Haven't checked out the ERR4019 yet, tomorrow maybe.

    Three photos of the finished job, decided to run an earth from the sink retainer to an earth pole for good measure.
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    ERR4019 is indeed a diode pack. I'd say you're correct in that it's to filter HV chatter - not sure why only fitted to 92/93 models though. There's one in my 1971 Mercedes - between coil and tacho - remove it and the tacho needle jumps around randomly ....

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    Don't have a diode tester on my multi meter but if it is one it doesn't work as it allows current flow in both directions. No resistance, so whatever it is it's now consigned to the bin.

    New timing light today, set to 10 btdc as before, two changes noted, on initial startup revs are higher, then two distinct steps down to 800 rpm, idles smoothly with a more throaty note.

    Cloudi (#1 daughter) says it is more responsive and seemed to pull more willingly up our drive (500 metres in 1.5 klms) all in all very happy.

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