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7th August 2012, 08:09 PM
#31
With twisting force:


When you say trailing arm mount, do you mean the trailing arm is connected to the hole in the box section?
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8th August 2012, 07:20 AM
#32
Serg, don't put too much faith in a FEA plot unless you know exactly the situation it has been produced for and what it was intended to show.
I use FEA a lot, mainly to back-up my hand calculations (if both agree, I'm confident in the result and move on, if not I start checking both for errors) but also for geometry that is too complex to calculate by hand.
But I always back up the plots with hand calculations, get equivalence and then start adding complexities into the model.
I also greatly simplify FEA plots to save on computer time. This still makes the results useful to me, but they can mean absolutely nothing to another engineer who just sees that plot in isolation without a whole paragraph explaning what it is and isn't meant to show.
Representative loads are another one. If you don't know exactly how much load something will see (preliminary work) but you are using a plot to highlight the weakest link in the structure. In a case like this the stress distribution means everything (if one member is showing 3x the stress of another etc), but the actual numbers aren't relevant.
It's also important to understand the limitation as all but the highest cost FEA programs are linear. Meaning the results are only good for small displacements and double the force will give you double the deflection.
If you have a large deflection the shape of the structure can change enough that the original undeflected shape isn't a good starting point any longer.
To get a good result in this case you would have to pre-calculate the deformed shape, deform your model to this and then run the FEA simulation. This is an iterative process that can suck up whole days of hard work. It's got to be pretty special to command that much work over a simplified run that will give a good-enough result.
The last point I'd make would be linear FEA is only any good at less than the material yeild strength. It can't handle any material yeilding as this changes the stress distribution within the material and changes the result completely.
Basically you can't accurately predict failure loads, but you can use to to confirm what is safe.
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8th August 2012, 04:31 PM
#33
Tim, (thanks again) and no, My idea is to move the rear trailing arm mount on my Def 110 C/Chassis, forward about 200/250mm, so the arm now mounts (using stock type bush and pin arrangemnet) where the rear cab outrigger is. This means making a new mount and outrigger in one, basicly a hybrid of the two, using the LR way of mountingto the chassis. I would also like to move the RA mount 500mm to the rear. So If I cut the outrigger of and the TA mount, clean and prep the chassis, Im left with I nice section of approx 190mmx75mmx2mm. I would make a big fishplate out of 3mm plate, maybe even fold the top or bottom edge so it engages to the center line of chassis. This fishplate would be full height and long enough to go past each mount and have tapered ends. I would put holes in it to get more surface weld to the chassis web. Then I would mount the new TA/outrigger and RA mount to the chassis as LR did. I was thinking than now the mounts have been moved that it would be good to get this area working together a bit better and therefore thought about having the tube go from one side of the web to the other, these being inside the holes cut in the fish plate.......
clear as mud hey 
Dougal, All I see is pretty colours, but its a start and makes me think about things I know not of.....On the note of computer programes, When Mal Storey was first making his low range gearsets, he had a engineer that he had delt with run some numbers based on his design and material....the computer said they would be only good for 30hp....Mal had to laugh as he was looking at his gears and comparing them to the original LR LT230 low range gearset and new those were good for a little more than 30hp. As much as its a bit over my head, I do appreciate your time in explaining your above post.
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