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    Never given it a second thought??

    Hi All,

    Its probably me, but in all the years on owning any vehicle I've never thought of replacing or improving the coil (if that's possible) or worthwhile

    Like most on this forum, I change plugs, leads and the occasional distributor cap and rotor button when it comes to the electrical side of things
    but I'm no mechanic

    So I'm asking the question to all those more knowledgeable than me when it comes to all things with Rover V8's.

    I have a RRC 2 Door 3.5 V8 electronic ignition with twin carbies and 3 speed auto box

    That old addage comes to mind "If I ain't broken don't touch it" ...But should I change the coil as I'm thinking better spark, better fuel burn, better economy, smoother running or am I just dreaming.

    It then begs the question .....buy a standard replacement coil from my local Land rover supplier or is their an aftermarket upgrade that will improve spark.

    Also is the later 3.9 EFI coil compatible with my earlier system and where I would go in Perth to source an aftermarket unit if available.

    Cheers

    Baggy

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    Beeutey has a fantastic and SIMPLE electronic ignition upgrade for these, search function here should reveal it all, IIRC it is also in the 'Good Oil' section.

    JC

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    Main thing is the difference between a resistive and non-resistive versions. It would have originally had a resistive coil, fed by a white/purple traced wire by memory which is a special resistive wire lowering the voltage from 12 to about 9 by memory. Differs to a ballast resistive system where there's a small ceramic block with a resistive coil underneath that does the same thing. DO NOT touch if one of these has been running, gets very hot.

    With the upgrade to elec ign it should have a newer non-resistive coil. You can get aftermarket, non oil filled coils so there's no chance of failure due to leakage plus they are smaller. Bosch GT40 (GT40-R is resistive version)

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    In my experience, coils tend to either work or not, and unlike leads etc, do not have downgraded performance before they fail. On this basis, while it may be worth replacing the coil with a new one to forestall failure, don't expect any improvement from it.

    Changing ignition components to get a better spark than originally fitted may improve running if, for example, mixture is a bit out or down on compression or the engine is modified, but should make no difference if everything is operating within spec. What it will do is apply higher stress to parts such as leads and distributor cap, making failure of these more likely.

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    High energy ignition systems used with larger plug gaps (like when they were introdude in the 80's) will lead to higher stress on caps leads etc. However if you use standard plug gaps the extra spark energy means a longer duration spark, making the chance of misfiring in lean mixtures less possible. I have seen no downsides with this approach. The higher energy systems I use all need a non-resistor 12 volt supply from the ignition switch to perform at their best.

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    I have a RRC 2 Door 3.5 V8 electronic ignition with twin carbies and 3 speed
    auto box
    What do you mean by "electronic ignition" AFAIK from my 81 , they had points, so have you got "Luminition" or have you retro fitted a high energy ignition from say an injection RRC?

    The reason I ask is that the answers to your questions are very differnt depending on what you have. The Luminition or Crane or others are just a transistorised switch with no amplifying circuit and to run an electronic coil will fry it in less than one minute. Ask me how I know.

    So the best you can do is a GT40R. AFAIR the 81 had a resistor WIRE from the ignition switch to the coil so there is no apparent resistor but it is there.It is white with a blue? trace but is easy to tell as it is stainless steel. There will be a second 12v wire to positive which runs from the starter small spade on the solonoid.
    If you have electronic high energy you can run a Bosch ME717 or similar solid state coil but only with 12v so you have to replace the resisitor wire, if your model is an 81 or circa.
    Regards Philip A

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    The wire is white/purple. As it runs across the inlet manifold it tends to get brittle and crack the insulation and causes issues as well. If it's damaged, cut it back to source and replace with a std wire and run a non resistive coil.

    Or get a later elec system from a EFI version. It's pretty easy to plump in with only the same (non-resistive) power sources and triggers from dissy.

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    Never given a second thought??

    Hi All,

    Appreciate everyone's knowledgeable input .......

    PhillipA - The distributor is a std factory fitted and you are right it did have points only.
    Early on in my ownership (2004) I did have an Auto electrician fit an electronic ignition to vehicle, based on their recommendation and its just a basic conversion from memory (all housed in distributor)

    I will see if I can find the details on the unit used, apart from that modification the system is stock standard and I will look at fiitting a GT40R coil.

    PS Thanks JC for lead on bee utey simple but EXCELLENT conversion.
    Will look at that conversion if the current system fails ....... to everyone, I am always impressed by the knowledge base of the members who frequent this site

    Cheers

    Baggy

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