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    swaybars and articulation

    Gday guys and gals

    Just wondered what peoples thoughts were on removing swaybars/anti-roll bars for better axle articulation.

    The vehicle in question is a 2013 defender 110 with stock as, factory springs and shocks

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    Removed sway bar from my 127 along time ago and never looked back ,i also remove helper springs when lightly loaded with better articulation and no probs, but i don't drive fast to allow for extra sway
    All depends on personal use i suppose,
    Cheers

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    Cheers mate, reckon I'll rip em out and see what happens. I figure its free flex, so you can't go wrong hehehe

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    I made some quick disconnects for my ute. Best of both on road and off road. I would think that you could get them ready made though.

    Here is a pic of mine. Was easy enough to make.
    Cheers Hall

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    The purpose of anti-sway bars is to oppose axle articulation. They don't belong on a 4wd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by POD View Post
    The purpose of anti-sway bars is to oppose axle articulation. They don't belong on a 4wd.
    Not necessarily so, but probably correct for the average punter, and probably also for the OP. Definitely correct as far as the stock front ant-roll/sway bar goes.

    The front radius arm suspension on many Land Rovers has too much roll resistance, and many have too little roll resistance in the rear suspension, and the imbalance results in the rear suspension doing most of the articulation and far too little from the front. In that case a light anti-roll/sway bar can be a big help.

    The stock rear bar of early discos and Defenders is ok, but the stock set-up (mounting and the silly short axle links) limit articulation. Fix those and run the bar.

    If your spring design is stiffer than optimum, then not running anti-roll/sway bars will help articulation.

    If you springs are designed for optimum articulation, then the right anti-roll bar is part of the overall package for off road.

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    I have just fitted a 500kg camper on the 09 110 with + 25% heavier springs, new shocks and polyairs and she still rolls like the QE2.
    I just want the thing to handle better on road and are prepared to loose some off road capability.
    So what to do with the rear sway bar and how big??????
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    I just bought a set & installed them because I was getting sick of body roll on the black stuff where 90% of my driving is done anyway.

    Been through same terrain offroad ( Steep, Rutted, wet & dry) with & without antiroll bars & found the job gets done either way with little difference.

    It would have to be some fairly extreme stuff to make the difference noticeable enough to warrant permanent removal, which then still brings up the same question of " how often will I be doing that"?

    If you want the best of both worlds & find yourself in an area where having them off will help, they are easy to remove & install so you could leave them on till you reach base camp & then remove them, or use disconnects like Hall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gasman View Post
    I have just fitted a 500kg camper on the 09 110 with + 25% heavier springs, new shocks and polyairs and she still rolls like the QE2.
    I just want the thing to handle better on road and are prepared to loose some off road capability.
    So what to do with the rear sway bar and how big??????
    Do you still have the rear bar fitted?

    If not it sounds from your description that a stock bar will not make enough difference. If someone close by had one you could try, the trial would be useful.

    You could try the usual suspension companies to see if they have a heavier rear anti-sway bar. One aftermarket one I know of is the X-Eng one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by POD View Post
    The purpose of anti-sway bars is to oppose axle articulation. They don't belong on a 4wd.

    In the latest LRM, there is a story about how NENE overland produced a 3.2 litre engine defender, tricked up, and with removable sway bars when transiting from the bitumen to off road. Bob
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