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    300tdi spluttering and dying

    G'day,

    The other day my fuel tank was leaking, so I pulled it and patch up any dodgy looking areas on the outside. Popped it back in, opened the bleed valve on the fuel filter and cranked her to bleed the air. All's good until diesel starts leaking again. Take her for a blat around the block anyways.

    Drop the tank out again, put some RedKote tank sealer in there, let it dry for 4 days (only requires 1), good as gold. Go to take it for a drive and I get 200m down the road and it splutters and dies - realise I didnt bleed the air. This is where is starts to get funky -
    1. Lift pump priming handle does nothing (maybe air in there?)
    2. If I leave the bleed valve open on the fuel filter it sucks air in...find out the only way to fill the filter is by taking the filter outlet off and shutting the bleed valve.
    3. Starts and runs fine - problem fixed....or not.
    4. Drive her for about 200m, splutters and dies - I find out that if i leave her running very rough on idle it will stay running....if I give her revs she runs fine for a few minutes, then splutters and dies.
    5. Finally starts running OK again - go for a drive thinking it was just air working its way through - 40km down the road, driving at 100km/hr it makes a noise and dies....obviously no fuel as im rolling down the road in gear without it starting back up
    6. Pop the bonnet, crack the fuel filter - full of fuel, no air bubbles....crank her over and she starts. ??? but OK.
    7. Drive for 30km, same thing - this time I flatten my battery trying to start her.

    Anyone got any ideas????

    As full discolosure I broke the plastic outlet pipe off the fuel tank getting it out, and have epoxied a bit of tube in there, which I then use a piece of hose (with clamps) to act as a sleeve to join it and the plastic tube. My thought was maybe air slowly leaks in here - although im not convinced since it ran fine for so long. I also thought maybe its some of the tank lining that's peeled off....but Im resisting the idea of pulling the tank...again (at least for as long as possible).

    TLDR; Deefer splutters and dies for no reason. Runs "lumpy", but occasionally will start again (after much cranking) for no real reason. I have put a tank coating in the fuel tank. Ran fine before.

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    blocked pickup, fuel line, sedimentor or fuel line from that to the filter/pump.
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    Check the items that you changed or refitted. You may have stirred up a small fragment of debris that has entered the system.

    Where diesel is leaking from ? - and have you fixed this ?

    Check as BN writes above, it may not be picking up and may have been running on what was on the filter - it would be worth dismantling and cleaning the sedimenter if you haven't already done so.

    Unlikely but there could be a co-incidental problem or blockage with the lift pump or the fuel shut off - check that it activates when ign is turned on.

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    Agree, likely debris.

    Dual battery system, but only one battery installed? Unused and loose lead shorting and throwing fuel cut off?

    Injector pump seals OK, no leaks?

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    @workingonit - yes a dual battery system, but the second battery has always been dead. There's no blown fuses, and the batteries were looked at between no problem and it starting to choke. Injector pump was leaking a while ago, but I replaced the seals and bush and that fixed that. No problem since.

    @ 87County - Yep I've fixed the leak in the tank. From the holes the tank looked immaculate, but dirt trapped inbetween the tray spot welded around the tank must have rubbed through in one small spot - a tank liner sealed that up and no more leaks. Tank was cleaned to apply the tank liner, so shouldnt be any debris there, but maybe something that was previously in the line has moved and blocked something. I've checked the lift pump filter, seems to be clean. Anything else to check on the lift pump? Fuel filter was full each time it died (other than the initial time of me not bleeding the air).

    @BN - I'll likely be pulling the tank again then I will check the sedimenter before that though!

    As always, appreciate your responses!

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    Thanks for the update - let us know how the sedimenter turns out.

    Nothing else to check on the lift pump but if all else fails (and remember that it's most likely debris), then check that fuel is getting to the distribution pump by cracking a union on that line see if it dribbles when you actuate the lift pump.

    Lift pump diaphragms can fail eventually.

    300tdis are self priming after a filter change - so you could try not doing your "air bleed" and see how you go - needs to crank a little though so have your battery charged.

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    Did a bit of reading elsewhere.

    Blocked fuel return line can create vacuum in tank.

    Pin holes in diaphragm, where pipe coming from turbo meets injector pump.

    Pin holes in fuel feed line. I replaced some of my line due to rub marks. Run you finger along the tube to feel for rub marks. The plastic pipe is available from hydraulic suppliers along with push fit connectors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sh4kes View Post
    ----- 1. Lift pump priming handle does nothing -------
    If the hand lever is moving through it's travel and not doing anything, the lift pump mechanism would be sitting on top of it's lobe on the cam.

    Turn engine over a bit to move the cam lobe into another spot and the lift pump hand lever should be then felt to be working.

    Then if there is no fuel coming through to the pump input line and there is no fuel available when pumped, that means the fuel line is either blocked ( producing high vacuum ) or broken ( pumping air ) somewhere.
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    Thought I'd reply back about this one - I dropped the sedimenter out and found about 50mm of solid mud etc in the bottom, as well as it 50% filled with water, and 50% with diesel. Filter didnt appear clogged though.

    Also tried blowing through the pickup tube into the tank and it was a bit hard - so I cut 5mm off the bottom of both the pickup and return tubes and it became easy to blow through. I assume the tank liner was a bit thick right down at the pickup and it was slightly suctioning onto the base of the tank.

    Lift pump was OK - after all my checking and cleaning it fired up first crank! Cheers guys!

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